Algeria: a "lesson in democracy"

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Algiers - President Abdelaziz Bouteflika hailed his landslide re-election for a third term as a "lesson in democracy" on Friday, but opposition politicians and independent media alleged fraud at the polls, and the US government expressed concern.

Interior Minister Noureddine Yazid Zerhouni said Bouteflika won 90.24% of votes in Thursday's election. Opponents had called for a boycott of the vote, which was marred by six terror attacks, one of which left a police officer dead, and unrest that left several polling stations burned.
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That is not a lesson in democracy, and this is something the ANC fails to understand! No single party should command that much of a vote (namely more than 66%); they lose all accountability and believe themselves to be "god-like" and untouchable. This ultimately ends in dictatorships.

The constitution has already been changed to accommodate Bouteflika's third term in office, typically African - I have to give kudos to Nelson Mandela and Sam Njumo for stepping down when enough was enough!

A quick read also seems to reveal that this was an election marred by violence and what appears to be massive ballot stuffing! Africa does not understand democracy and, as such, it will always be a "tribal" continent lead by one big chief.
 
Agreed we do not live in a democracy. People vote based on the colour of skin and those who don't are ignored.
 
only chance to stem the flow is 22 April, come hell or high water, you gotta vote!
 
killadoob said:
Do you think the people of this country had democracy before the ANC came to power?
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Of course not. And neither do they have now. Africa/Africans are ment to suffer. They live in a world they did not create/develop ! Imagine if our European civilization will be catapulted 10000 years into the future by some visiting 'aliens'. Do you think will it be good? I don't think so. We (the whites) robbed the blacks of 1000 of years of evolution/development ! Is a fact which will stay with the 'earthlings' until the end of times.
 
We have never had a democracy, how the whites are feeling now is how the blacks felt for many a decade. I suppose the whites though are far better off than the old days.

Pity people are racist, world might be a far better place to live. Racism and Religion have been the downfall of planet Earth sadly. Why one race has to feel they are superior to another is beyond me.
 
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killadoob said:
We have never had a democracy, how the whites are feeling now is how the blacks felt for many a decade. I suppose the whites though are far better off than the old days.

Pity people are racist, world might be a far better place to live. Racism and Religion have been the downfall of planet Earth sadly. Why one race has to feel they are superior to another is beyond me.
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Whites are way better off now that blacks were under apartheid.
 
The real question is: Do they 'feel' superior or they 'really are' superior. When one looks at the general development of a civilization/race, I have to accept the facts. However, one should not debate who is superior/different to who but how this differences are interpreted/used. The old South African governmant used those differences to discriminate against the blacks, a thing condemned by all and obviously wrong. On the other hand the 'new' goverment does exactly the same albeit the other way - just as wrong and condemned. Slowly they paint themself into a isolated corner nobody wants to be in. Look at the Dalailama saga. And I don't quite agree with 'Gomario' either. Is a fact that the Europeans were and still are the more developed race. They come, they saw, they conquered. This is part of our world history, like it or not ! You can't hold the whites responsible because the blacks did not invent writing or this or that and eventually got not only conquered but obliterated. The mere fact that this forum is written in English is solid evidence of South Africa's tumultuous past. Some people in here clearly confuse the word 'racism' with 'realism' :D
 
Intelligence as far as i know there are plenty of whites in this country going to private schools and plenty that go to normal stock standard schools which still offer a decent to good education, what quality of schooling was afforded to the blacks under the white government?

How many went to school and mingled with white kids at a half decent school? How many blacks went to private schools? I know that white kids can go to any school they like/afford. Please do not even come and say that the whites are getting what blacks had because then i know your nick is nothing more than lie.

It is hard to develop as a race when you are looked at as the help and enslaved.
 
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A race develops over millenia not decades. Hmmm . . . Can someone tell me what JHB was called 150year ago? And the europeans never said, blacks must not go to school ! They just refused to teach them what 'a school' is :D As far as I know, even at the hight of apartheid, whites allowed blacks to follow their traditions/schools. As long as they did not interfere with the white culture. Seriously, can you imagine what this country will be like, if the whites will leave today and remove any trace of development they brought to Africa?
 
killadoob said:
Intelligence as far as i know there are plenty of whites in this country going to private schools and plenty that go to normal stock standard schools which still offer a decent to good education, what quality of schooling was afforded to the blacks under the white government?

How many went to school and mingled with white kids at a half decent school? How many blacks went to private schools? I know that white kids can go to any school they like/afford. Please do not even come and say that the whites are getting what blacks had because then i know your nick is nothing more than lie.

It is hard to develop as a race when you are looked at as the help and enslaved.
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The biggest question is why is there such a discrepancy in the levels of schooling 15 years later? The ANC most definitely has missed the ball on this one, it should have been a priority. Instead the defence of a country who is in no immediate danger of war, the millions stolen by "officials" and mismanagement of funds have put the future of this country on a very unstable footing.

Perhaps the ANC have no intention of improving education as an uninformed electorate is an obedient one?
 
Intelligence++ said:
The real question is: Do they 'feel' superior or they 'really are' superior. When one looks at the general development of a civilization/race, I have to accept the facts. However, one should not debate who is superior/different to who but how this differences are interpreted/used. The old South African governmant used those differences to discriminate against the blacks, a thing condemned by all and obviously wrong. On the other hand the 'new' goverment does exactly the same albeit the other way - just as wrong and condemned. Slowly they paint themself into a isolated corner nobody wants to be in. Look at the Dalailama saga. And I don't quite agree with 'Gomario' either. Is a fact that the Europeans were and still are the more developed race. They come, they saw, they conquered. This is part of our world history, like it or not ! You can't hold the whites responsible because the blacks did not invent writing or this or that and eventually got not only conquered but obliterated. The mere fact that this forum is written in English is solid evidence of South Africa's tumultuous past. Some people in here clearly confuse the word 'racism' with 'realism' :D
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According to Darwin, yes Europeans should have wiped out Africans and eradicated their entire race from the face of the earth. Survival of the fittest and all; it appears over time the more evolved a race is technologically the more they are likely to dominate.

However (and this was never really a focus of Darwinism), with such evolution comes the evolution of human emotion in the form of compassion and fraternity. As such slavery was abolished, colonies were surrendered to the local population because the will of European public and aid has been made available to this continent.

Perhaps Africans haven't quite been given the nurturing opportunity of the thousands of years of national and world wars that Europe had to shape their respective countries. Such conflict eventually will either result in the extinction or evolution of a race.

Afterall no one race can be expected to evolve at the same pace as any other in an isolated environment. But that no longer exists and no matter the current situation this entire planet needs to somehow haul all its citizens to a similar point in the evolution of species known as homo sapien.
 
timgaul said:
The biggest question is why is there such a discrepancy in the levels of schooling 15 years later? The ANC most definitely has missed the ball on this one, it should have been a priority. Instead the defence of a country who is in no immediate danger of war, the millions stolen by "officials" and mismanagement of funds have put the future of this country on a very unstable footing.

Perhaps the ANC have no intention of improving education as an uninformed electorate is an obedient one?
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The ANC had generation of peasants (to put it bluntly) to work with. You can't just plonk them in a former model-c school and expect miracles. Many didn't have the nursery school start, the infants school and a good foundation at home.

The ANC chose instead to lower the standards for everyone and then raise them later. I wouldn't have done it that way, but anyway.

I doubt whether the populous are being 'kept dumb'.
 
theratman said:
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Whites are way better off now that blacks were under apartheid.
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And the fact that the Blacks haven't been uplifted, at least to a reasonable degree, is who's fault?

Its time the ANC gave someone else a chance at the wheel, if they can't do maybe someone else can.
 
Sackboy said:
The ANC had generation of peasants (to put it bluntly) to work with. You can't just plonk them in a former model-c school and expect miracles. Many didn't have the nursery school start, the infants school and a good foundation at home.

The ANC chose instead to lower the standards for everyone and then raise them later. I wouldn't have done it that way, but anyway.

I doubt whether the populous are being 'kept dumb'.
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Indeed, yet 15 years later we have still have AA at entry level jobs. Does the ANC just believe that Black people are too stupid to do it for themselves, personally I'd be insulted by their attitude.

However, your hypothesis also ventures towards believing that Black people cannot be educated as easily as White people. This case of "sparing the rod and spoiling the child", as it were, is going to lead to an entire generation that is incapable of leading a country.
 
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