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Am I going to get charged extra if I go over the limit on my Telkom ADSL account? at the moment I am 3.2gb and downloading just fine?
 
KoRn said:
Am I going to get charged extra if I go over the limit on my Telkom ADSL account? at the moment I am 3.2gb and downloading just fine?
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NO - if you look at the bottom of the telkomsa.net homepage you'll see that they're using a system whereby surplus data is pooled and available to all users in the same subscription category. You're entitled to 3gb minimum and only risk getting capped if you exceed that amount.

Enjoy it :)
 
Pigs stay away

I just hope the bandwidth pigs stay away, I do not need my price to go up if I use more than 3gig once in a while. I am glad the 30gig guys are getting their bills soon....:D
 
So they force other isp's to use their new system so that their product is better?
 
JouPaSeEpos said:
I just hope the bandwidth pigs stay away, I do not need my price to go up if I use more than 3gig once in a while. I am glad the 30gig guys are getting their bills soon....:D
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Well i am about to nail mine so sorry for you.
 
I hope the unused bandwidth get carried over to the next month :) ..

btw KoRn, every ISP is managing their own bandwidth in different way. TelkomInternet just has a lot of unused bandwidth to play with because of their large subscriber base - so they can afford to spread it around a bit. I've said it many times before, I think this model will result in customer being happier than hardcapping - while at the same time making sure the total bandwidth used by all subscribers does not exceed what was paid for.

Spindrift
 
KoRn said:
So they force other isp's to use their new system so that their product is better?
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The ISPs can manage their bandwidth as they see fit.

However if you think about it most of the high cap users moved away from telkominternet as soon as others offered the now defunct cheap high cap offerings. If the average telkominternet user is using only 1.5 gb of bandwidth as they claim it leaves a massive pool of unused data that they can dole out.

Also being telkom they can risk not getting the calculations 100% right. The smaller ISP doesnt have the same pool or financial backing.

Now as I'm writing this down another thought comes to mind. Assuming the ISPs can now roll over unused bandwidth does that not mean they'll be doling out some surplus from next month and can therefore let up on the frequent disconnects?
 
Big pig small pig..

bwana v.6 said:
The ISPs can manage their bandwidth as they see fit.

However if you think about it most of the high cap users moved away from telkominternet as soon as others offered the now defunct cheap high cap offerings. If the average telkominternet user is using only 1.5 gb of bandwidth as they claim it leaves a massive pool of unused data that they can dole out.

Also being telkom they can risk not getting the calculations 100% right. The smaller ISP doesnt have the same pool or financial backing.

Now as I'm writing this down another thought comes to mind. Assuming the ISPs can now roll over unused bandwidth does that not mean they'll be doling out some surplus from next month and can therefore let up on the frequent disconnects?
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Every forum must have a clown (only a joke don't take it personaly) why do you think they are so pissed with telkom internet, you read the thing about average use of 1.something gig.
You bought 3 gig and paid for it. They keep your money for the other 1.something and not pay it to telkom from November.

This is the reason why dotco is stuffed they bought 3gig and sold 30gig. Telkom had the avaredge to work with, now dotco has to pay bill themselves he-he.
No sutch thing as a freebee exist, sometime along the way you will pay later is just with some extra interest...

Small guys with bad calculator bought 3gig for R190 and sold it as 30gig for R500, (R310 profit). Big guys with good calculator bought 3gig for R190 and sold 3gig for R250. Small pig made big profit and big mistake now pays big lawyer fee :D
 
JouPaSeEpos said:
Every forum must have a clown (only a joke don't take it personaly) why do you think they are so pissed with telkom internet, you read the thing about average use of 1.something gig.
You bought 3 gig and paid for it. They keep your money for the other 1.something and not pay it to telkom from November.

This is the reason why dotco is stuffed they bought 3gig and sold 30gig. Telkom had the avaredge to work with, now dotco has to pay bill themselves he-he.
No sutch thing as a freebee exist, sometime along the way you will pay later is just with some extra interest...

Small guys with bad calculator bought 3gig for R190 and sold it as 30gig for R500, (R310 profit). Big guys with good calculator bought 3gig for R190 and sold 3gig for R250. Small pig made big profit and big mistake now pays big lawyer fee :D
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This forum is full of Hellkom people .
 
arni1954 said:
This forum is full of Hellkom people .
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Yes, it is odd that JouPa... seems to be quoting an amalgam of old Telkom press releases [with mangled grammar intact too :) ]
 
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talk about TelkomInternet putting a spin on it... they are "giving away" the extra gigs.....hhhhhhmmmmmm The more people jump the ship the less pool there is going to be untill you are only allocated your 3gigs... and sold your sole to the devil himself.

The Telkom spin. Dont Do it. The devil is doing its work
 
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I think nxt month it will change as all the 'abusers' move back to Telkom internet and suck their excess dry. :P
 
krycor said:
I think nxt month it will change as all the 'abusers' move back to Telkom internet and suck their excess dry. :P
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How about we all take out a Telkom internet account in Dec, suck them absolutely dry and hopefully by the middle of the month there pool with be completely used up. But they will still have to provide bandwidth to all the users who haven't yet reached there 3GB cap - and hopefully that means they'll have to start taking money out of there own pocket to pay for it (well I guess they would just have to move the money between there pockets).

I guess the people here already on TelkomInternet won't like that idea because they are getting a pretty good deal as it stands (but we don't care about them because they are supporting Telkom).
 
Utilizing any service provider reselling saix bandwidth is in a fact supporting telkom not only those on telkominternet's service. :(

Government should implement a capping system on telkoms profits as they are clearly abusing za's economic system.

Shape their profits to hell!:mad:
 
Nick333 said:
Youre ignorant inform yourself of the real issues :
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=32564
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Since you insist...:rolleyes:

It doesn’t take a work of science to observe the growing bandwidth consumption on ISP networks. Largely attributable to P2P and file-sharing traffic and has become the unquestioned leader in bandwidth consumption. Estimated 80% of all ADSL traffic is attributable to file-sharing and P2P networks.

This situation has become a conundrum for ISPs. The P2P and file-sharing revolution has helped spur broadband demand, while at the same time placing a financial burden on ISPs. Acutely aware that file-traders have made broadband the standard it is today, ISPs are delicately trying to balance the needs of non-P2P customers and the needs of file-sharers while still driving down the cost bandwidth.

The method of achieving this could mean sacrificing the performance of one service for the benefit of another.

ISPs end up investing a lot and a lot of that investment goes to enable BitTorrent or peer to peer file sharing. Someday they might get to the point where they block a port.

This will stir the ire of many in the file-sharing community, our favorite networks could fall under the ISP’s axe. Will ISPs solve their problems by blocking our access to P2P and file-sharing networks?

Not quite. The point I was making was that in addition to the investment in ADSL and upgrading the access part of the network to carry faster broadband, ISPs like IS, Datapro and UUNet also invest a lot in their backbone network. Much of that investment is driven by the increasing amounts of traffic, and peer-to-peer file sharing is a key chunk of that increasing traffic. As Telkom's ADSL prices keep going down, it is not clear where the revenue is going to come from for competitors (Datapro, SNO, IS, UUNet) to keep upgrading their backbone and increase the speed of ADSL. Given the way traffic seems to be increasing, and I'm sure that there will be more video file sharing or things like that, unless capacity is increased traffic flow will suffer - which some might call "port blocking."

Your argument of ignorance aside, Prick333 This is where the ISP diverts its attention away from higher bandwidth concerns, and concentrates on other aspects of the network, such as HTTP or email traffic.

My point is that without sufficient revenue to justify increasing investment, we are going to get to a place where at least some high bandwidth services might not work so well because of insufficient capacity at peak usage times. I don't think this should fall into the "port blocking" category, but some might argue that it does. Is this achievable with capping a service to ensure an even spread of contention during the month? I dont know either. Do gigs now euqate to bandwidth?

The balancing acts ISPs face is keeping prices low while still providing all the services that consumers demand. This may result in prioritizing services, but not the absolute blockage of high bandwidth traffic such as P2P or BitTorrent.

While revenue stands to decline for ISPs, technology will improve. Several new DSL standards are being developed internationaly, such as VDSL2 which literally blows away the current service. If one is fortunately enough to live within the "range", the individual could experience a 30 to 50 megabit connection. ADSL2+, a more modest service also manages to draw blood from copper wire, and enjoy a 24 megabit connection.

In the unlikely event that Telkom deploy these services Internet will come to a dead stop due to ignorant bandwidth hogs like yourself, ISPs will have to close their doors and so will the little competition we have against Telkom.

It is better to have a known enemy than a forced ally.
- Napoleon Bonaparte
 
JouPaSeEpos -Are you preparing Telkom's next spin of “ even among MyADSL members…………”
 
If Telkom are doing this why not limit each user to maxium of 30 gigs. Some people are downloading 160 gigs. What is there on the internet that you need to download that amount of data? To this person that did this, I bet you, you havent even gone through half the stuff that you downloaded, so why do it? You are playing us into Telkoms hands
 
JouPaSeEpos, I think you are looking at this all wrong.

If an ISP is reselling accounts for 512k or 1024k connections they must be able to support a full 1024k connection from each account at all times, end of story. So even if some oak is downloading 24 hours a day at full bandwidth it should not be a problem to the isp or anyone. if you pay for 1024k you must get 1024k the isp's need to service that. It makes no difference if some one is useing P2P or http or ftp what difference does a protocal make. If you know the right places you can download warez at full HTTP speeds.

My point is you must get what you pay for, and be able to do what you want with it, otherwise why else would you pay for it in the first place.
 
KoRn said:
JouPaSeEpos, I think you are looking at this all wrong.

If an ISP is reselling accounts for 512k or 1024k connections they must be able to support a full 1024k connection from each account at all times, end of story. So even if some oak is downloading 24 hours a day at full bandwidth it should not be a problem to the isp or anyone. if you pay for 1024k you must get 1024k the isp's need to service that. It makes no difference if some one is useing P2P or http or ftp what difference does a protocal make. If you know the right places you can download warez at full HTTP speeds.

My point is you must get what you pay for, and be able to do what you want with it, otherwise why else would you pay for it in the first place.
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ADSL is, at best, a best effort service, so you'll get what you get.
 
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