Americans Trying Out Caps

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On Thursday, Time Warner Cable will begin testing a new pricing plan that caps bandwidth usage. Kevin Leddy, Time Warner Cable's executive vice president, said the plan will be launched as a trial in Beaumont, Texas, and will consist of several tiers. The first tier, at $29.95 monthly, will be a relatively slow 768 kilobits per second with a 5GB monthly cap, while a plan at $54.90 per month will offer 15 megabits per second and a 40GB cap.

Both downloads and uploads count toward the monthly total. Overages will be charged at $1 a gigabyte.

Only New Customers

Time Warner has an estimated 90,000 customers in the area, and only new customers will be offered the tiers. With some users exchanging huge, media-based files like video, some other cable companies have also considered caps. For instance, Comcast, the largest cable company in the United States, has reportedly said it may cap usage at 250 gigabytes per month.

The experiment comes as consumers have grown used to unlimited Internet usage. But Larry Hettick, an analyst with industry research firm Current Analysis, said the current problem for Internet service providers is mostly created by five percent of users, while the rest have usage patterns within expectations. Those five percent, he added, are frequently downloading or uploading huge files.

Hettick noted that providers have previously said, in effect, that their policy is "unlimited, within reason," and then kicked off those few who go unreasonably beyond expected usage. "From a marketing point of view," he said, "it's probably a better approach."

He added that it will be interesting to see how users react to this experiment, as they have become accustomed to unlimited bandwidth, and the phone market is going the other way -- toward unlimited use for a flat price. "Personally," said Hettick, who sometimes works at home and depends on his online connection, "I would not buy a usage-sensitive data plan."

'Probably Enough'

He did note that, for the 95 percent of normal users, a 40GB cap is "probably enough." But addressing the short-term problem of dealing with the five percent of overusers, he added, will not fix the long-term problem, with high-definition home movies being uploaded to YouTube or users downloading high-definition features from iTunes.

"There has to be several parts to the solution," he said. One of these is increasing capacity in the so-called "last mile" to the home, by implementing new technologies such as DOCSIS 3.0 or reducing the number of homes on a given line. "Three years ago," Hettick noted, "a cable company might have served 100 homes in a neighborhood with one access point, but now could be serving 25."

Hettick said another part of the solution is increasing capacity at the central parts of the network. But, even with these adjustments, cable companies and other service providers will still have to come to terms eventually with those ultra-high-bandwidth users.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080603/tc_nf/60098

Oh, gee whizz... $1 (R8) a gig! Whatever will they do?! $55 (R500) for 40GB? I'm envious....

It's funny reading some of the comments: http://digg.com/tech_news/40GB_for_55_per_month_Time_Warner_bandwidth_caps_arrive :) I wonder if things would be different here if at least 50% of our population realised what a rip off everything is here. If there was toi-toiing in the streets, marches and strikes... I think people still view broadband as a "nice to have" in this country, rather than something important.
 
This has been covered a few times on this forum already.

As regards your last sentence, a lot of people are often at pains to point out that this is a 3rd world country we live in yet it is often those self same people who make comments like this.

Just the other day someone posted some information on the original ADSL packages made available in this country. We have made much progress already. And don't get me wrong I too know we have a long way to go.

And as an aside (and I know this is going to get me shot down but I need to say it), you talk about R500 for 40Gb, well you could get plenty local only in this country for R500, in fact more than 40Gb probably... and where do you think a lot of data originates?
 
While 40gb might be enough for the average user today it wont be tomorrow as more and more of our digital lives move into the cloud. Funny thing is there is no shortage of capacity in the US (an excuse Telkom regularly spews-forth).

And as an aside (and I know this is going to get me shot down but I need to say it), you talk about R500 for 40Gb, well you could get plenty local only in this country for R500, in fact more than 40Gb probably... and where do you think a lot of data originates?
Overseas of course where even co.za sites aren't subjected to astronomical data prices.

When it comes to the internet local isnt lekker because Telkom won't differentiate between local and international until after all the international is used up. Even a single overseas ad placed in a local site can make that site un-usable to a local only user.
 
Japan is being capped as well... but at 30GB a day!
 
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And as an aside (and I know this is going to get me shot down but I need to say it), you talk about R500 for 40Gb, well you could get plenty local only in this country for R500, in fact more than 40Gb probably... and where do you think a lot of data originates?

I disagree entirely with this.
Firstly $55 to an American earning dollars is not the same as R500 to someone earning rands.

Secondly there is very little content available in SA despite what anyone thinks.
Sure we have some forums and some local news etc, but the vast majority of stuff worth looking at/downloading - Im referring to legal stuff to download - is located outside of this country due to bandwidth speed and pricing.

So you might be able to get 40GB of local bandwidth for R500 but that would exclude your broadband line rental and it sure as hell wouldnt be on a 15MB YES they said 15MB connection.
 
I disagree entirely with this.
Firstly $55 to an American earning dollars is not the same as R500 to someone earning rands.

Secondly there is very little content available in SA despite what anyone thinks.
Sure we have some forums and some local news etc, but the vast majority of stuff worth looking at/downloading - Im referring to legal stuff to download - is located outside of this country due to bandwidth speed and pricing.

So you might be able to get 40GB of local bandwidth for R500 but that would exclude your broadband line rental and it sure as hell wouldnt be on a 15MB YES they said 15MB connection.

You seem to have totally misunderstood... I did not for one minute try to compare what you could get with local data here with the US but my reference was to the fact that a lot of data is located within the US. The OP did the comparison, I was merely pointing out that most of our data needs to be fetched from outside the country whereas in the US it is in their doorstep. My comparison was showing what you could get here if most of the sites were hosted locally.

And as for the first point about $55 not being the same as R500, again it was not me who first did this comparison but the OP so I merely carried the argument forward. If you would like to be more accurate let me humour you...

July 2007 (latest big mac data)
Big Mac in the US $3.41
Big Mac is SA R15.50

So from a buying power perspective $1 is therefore the equivalent of about R4.54 so according to the Big Mac index $55 would be worth or feel like about R250... so if we want to do the comparison again then what amount of local data could you get in SA for R250?
 
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You seem to have totally misunderstood... I did not for one minute try to compare what you could get with local data here with the US but my reference was to the fact that a lot of data is located within the US. The OP did the comparison, I was merely pointing out that most of our data needs to be fetched from outside the country whereas in the US it is in their doorstep. My comparison was showing what you could get here if most of the sites were hosted locally.

And as for the first point about $55 not being the same as R500, again it was not me who first did this comparison but the OP so I merely carried the argument forward. If you would like to be more accurate let me humour you...

July 2007 (latest big mac data)
Big Mac in the US $3.41
Big Mac is SA R15.50

So from a buying power perspective $1 is therefore the equivalent of about R4.54 so according to the Big Mac index $55 would be worth or feel like about R250... so if we want to do the comparison again then what amount of local data could you get in SA for R250?

Big Mac Index :D

But yes, there is a difference in buying power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

GDP per capita nominal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

GDP per capita PPP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

SA's buying power is about ~70% bigger than its nominal worth. (in US-Dollar)
 
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Big Mac Index :D

But yes, there is a difference in buying power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

GDP per capita nominal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

GDP per capita PPP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

SA's buying power is about ~70% bigger than its nominal worth. (in US-Dollar)

Huh? We were discussing the wealth and spending power of individuals here not the economics of SA! :) But thanks for the economics lesson I'm sure I'll be using some of that information anyway when I get down to finishing my macro economics and financial markets assignment later.
 
This has been covered a few times on this forum already.

As regards your last sentence, a lot of people are often at pains to point out that this is a 3rd world country we live in yet it is often those self same people who make comments like this.

Just the other day someone posted some information on the original ADSL packages made available in this country. We have made much progress already. And don't get me wrong I too know we have a long way to go.

And as an aside (and I know this is going to get me shot down but I need to say it), you talk about R500 for 40Gb, well you could get plenty local only in this country for R500, in fact more than 40Gb probably... and where do you think a lot of data originates?

When you are talking about big downloads you are talking about torrents/p2p. Can't get much from local sites or servers. Can get ANYTHING from torrents. Too bad you have to upload and download so you end up blowing twice the data. For us thats a bit of a problem obviously.
 
When you are talking about big downloads you are talking about torrents/p2p. Can't get much from local sites or servers. Can get ANYTHING from torrents. Too bad you have to upload and download so you end up blowing twice the data. For us thats a bit of a problem obviously.

nntp ftw!
 
Sorry Lancelot I must have misunderstood you then.
I would love for their content to be hosted here :(
 
Sorry Lancelot I must have misunderstood you then.
I would love for their content to be hosted here :(

No prob... and me too! It would make it easier for me to use this 20Gb local of mine without resorting to what essentially are unnecessary downloads on my behalf! :)
 
This has been covered a few times on this forum already.

As regards your last sentence, a lot of people are often at pains to point out that this is a 3rd world country we live in yet it is often those self same people who make comments like this.

Just the other day someone posted some information on the original ADSL packages made available in this country. We have made much progress already. And don't get me wrong I too know we have a long way to go.

And as an aside (and I know this is going to get me shot down but I need to say it), you talk about R500 for 40Gb, well you could get plenty local only in this country for R500, in fact more than 40Gb probably... and where do you think a lot of data originates?

I apologise, LancelotSA - it wasn't my intention to annoy you. Nor, for that matter was it my intention to start a flame war regarding opinions on our country. If anything, I'm proud that we're moving ahead - slowly, but surely.

I also didn't realise that this had been posted before - otherwise I wouldn't have wasted either of our time in doing so. My little American buddy only brought it to my attention last night. So, again, I'm sorry for being out of the loop :(

As for 40GB local - that doesn't help me when I'm downloading approximately 8GB of games (2 at roughly 4GB a month) from Steam or Direct2Drive. Not to mention how painfully slow that still is. It's funny, $40 for a game, and $20 per 3GB international bandwidth to download it. Forgive me if that hurts.

I don't understand why South Africa should attempt replicating sites and online businesses which are already prestigious. I want internet access so that I can access the world's wealth of data and information - not what locals consider as "good enough." I want to access Google and Gmail - not Ananzi or webmail.co.za. I want YouTube, not Zoopy. I want to play online games with people all over the world, not just those around saix.games.net.

<offtopic> You know what I'd love? To be able to shop anywhere in the world without delivery restrictions or having to have my mail forwarded to me. </offtopic>

You know, sickeningly enough, I'd even be ok with paying R750 (120 New Zealand Dollars) for a 25GB cap with a 5-20mbps connection. Ala Orcon.

The reason why I originally posted this article was because I found it funny that the Americans who "have it all" are facing the same obstacles we've been trying to get rid of for years. I call it irony at its finest. I just thought that I too, would love to pay $1 for a gig :)
 
I apologise, LancelotSA - it wasn't my intention to annoy you. Nor, for that matter was it my intention to start a flame war regarding opinions on our country. If anything, I'm proud that we're moving ahead - slowly, but surely.

I also didn't realise that this had been posted before - otherwise I wouldn't have wasted either of our time in doing so. My little American buddy only brought it to my attention last night. So, again, I'm sorry for being out of the loop :(

I would one day like to know how it is determined when the line gets crossed from being a discussion to being a flame war. The bulk of your post related to caps in the US, however, the bit you added related to your view on the situation within this country. I chose to respond to what you had said as the rest had been covered before on here. If responding to your comments is flaming then I stand accused...
 
...however, the bit you added related to your view on the situation within this country.

You mean this part?

I wonder if things would be different here if at least 50% of our population realised what a rip off everything is here.

Sorry, let me rephrase it then: "...what a rip off international bandwidth is here."
 
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