An Accidental War

[marine1]

Funny that they have not destroyed the dome of the rock mosque

 

[JK8]

Funny that they have not destroyed the dome of the rock mosque

The big golden dome? Thats not the mosque im talking about.

 

[Xarog]

Arguing with you is like talking to a child. Go and look at the history books. If you cannot see the truth then I feel for you.

I reflect the attitude of the person I'm addressing.

I asked why? What's the reason for holding onto it?

Why do people generally hold on to territory they gain through conquest?

In this case the zionists believe a bunch of bilge that the whole area (which, iirc includes parts of lebanon, syria, jordan) belonging to greater Israel. There's more than one kind of fanatic in the middle east.

Bwahahahahah

Counterpunch.

Well you're free to show the article is untrue.

The extremist element want the destruction of Israel. It's unreasonable to want to erase a country from existence. They say it but you just write it off as rhetoric . Why do they partake in this rhetoric then?

Why does Bush mouth off about things like an "axis of evil"? Or HW Bush talking about creating a "new world order" and being a "shining beacon on the hill" for civilisation?

You the one siding with Islamic fundamentalists. What is even more ironic is you are an "infidel".

If that's what you think then I pity you.

Anyone who would rather live in Iran than America is a fanatic IMO.

The US is a police state and is the main cause of much of the fighting currently going on in the world. So yeah, Iran is also not a nice place to live, but at least I would never have to have the money I earn end up as supporting one of the most morally bankrupt forces on the planet.

Anyway you calling me a fanatic is reassuring. Being seen is as reasonable by a moonbat is rather disturbing.

At least I can own up to making a mistake.

Getting desperate are we. Resorting to fearmongering. I never said all muslims did I?

You lump all muslims with any aspirations of self-determination into the fundamentalist camp. That's close enough to all muslims for anyone who cares to look at the situation (and the west's role in it) critically.

Maybe you should do more research on Saddam ruled Iraq then.

Maybe you should do more research. Really, the idea that Iraq had enough weapons lying around to supply insurgents with everything they needed for a whole three years is rather hard to believe.

Yeah I'm sure they like to be oppressed.

You yourself said "who on earth thinks Iran is democratic"

I was asking a question. No inferences can be drawn from it.

Was Saddam democratic?

No, he was a CIA installed dictator.

Who says they like it. Why so many dissidents then. What about stoning woman to death. Is that acceptable because most Iranians are muslim and supposidly want to be run by extremists.

So you'd be happier if the women were given lethal injections?

True.

But someone needs to challenge his views. As you can see it's not hard at all. If anything it's so other people can see both sides and it can help them make their own minds up.

Et tu, Brute?

Rofl.

Not necessarily, Iran may be supplying components for the construction of IED's so the actual devices can't be directly linked back to them.

And how would a wholly made IED be tracable back to Iran if the parts were not?

I suspect he probably did have a huge cache of weapons but weapons are easily available on the black market anyway.

I know he had weapon caches lying around - but I find the idea that there were enough to support guerilla warfare for three years to be improbable.

The question though is : if there is such a black market, why would Iran ship weapons in the first place? It would be much easier to simply ship money over.

It's not proof but taken in conjunction with all the other evidence it does start to build a fairly convincing case for the lack of democracy. Is there any democratic country where Sharia is in place? Maybe there's a reason it tends to be so unpopular when people are given a choice.

I didn't manage to find a list of nations that use Sharia. But I do know it's not universally hated and in some cases in Africa the populace demanded the option to be tried in sharia courts. There are countries where the courts run concurrently to other, more western, courts.

Like I said, I personally do not think Sharia is a good idea. But trying to stop it by invading a country is pure madness.

I read the entire link, I'm just saying that the UN which is generally regarded as the arbiter in these disputes concluded that the territory was Syrian, and the UN does not regard the whole of Lebanon to be Syrian territory.

regarded by us as the arbiter - I'm not sure Hezbollah feels the same way.

 

[Skeptik]

Why do people generally hold on to territory they gain through conquest?

Interesting that you should be against that idea . If you look carefully in your history book, you will see who invaded whom and when. How do the Palestinians make a claim to Jerusalem in the first place??

What structure lies beneath the Dome on the rock?? How did that happen??

 

[Xarog]

Interesting that you should be against that idea . If you look carefully in your history book, you will see who invaded whom and when. How do the Palestinians make a claim to Jerusalem in the first place?

Well, there was no international law against such things back then. I think we can both agree that wars of conquest are to be avoided, yes?

 

[Alan]

Why do people generally hold on to territory they gain through conquest?

So why haven't they held onto other territory they gained through "conquest".

In this case the zionists believe a bunch of bilge that the whole area (which, iirc includes parts of lebanon, syria, jordan) belonging to greater Israel. There's more than one kind of fanatic in the middle east.

Really. Are these the views of the majority of Israelis

Why does Bush mouth off about things like an "axis of evil"? Or HW Bush talking about creating a "new world order" and being a "shining beacon on the hill" for civilisation?

Ah. You telling me that's just rhetoric and he doesn't actually believe it himself.

If that's what you think then I pity you.

So who's side you on then

The US is a police state and is the main cause of much of the fighting currently going on in the world. So yeah, Iran is also not a nice place to live, but at least I would never have to have the money I earn end up as supporting one of the most morally bankrupt forces on the planet.

The U.S a police state

I guess that's why LG is still posting his anti U.S consiracy theories or why they recently had an anti-war rally in Washingston with a giant "peace duck " included. Maybe that explains all the outspoken anti Bush celebs, blogs and MSM. Is that why massive amounts of people including muslims are flocking to live in the U.S. Yeah right.

But look at Iran. They are not as bad. Salman Rushdie gets a Fatwa issued on him by the Ayatollahs. Woman hold a peacefull demonstration for their rights and State Security Forces clamp it down and arrest them. Why are the anti Ayatollah activits being intimidated and having to flee. Why aren't people including muslims flocking to iran? Nevermind that schools are policed as well campuses and parks segrecated based on sex.

Where's the morals in Iran if America is bankrupt then.

At least I can own up to making a mistake.

What mistake?

I guess you're used to it. After all you've made a few.

You lump all muslims with any aspirations of self-determination into the fundamentalist camp. That's close enough to all muslims for anyone who cares to look at the situation (and the west's role in it) critically.

Really. Where are the democracies in the muslim world? Have I said anything about Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, Dubai, Indonesia, Qatar...... being a threat to anyone?

Maybe you should do more research. Really, the idea that Iraq had enough weapons lying around to supply insurgents with everything they needed for a whole three years is rather hard to believe.

Why not?

So they aren't oppresed then?

I was asking a question. No inferences can be drawn from it.

And who on earth claimed Iran was a democracy?

Yeah a rhetorical question.

Or maybe you should ask yourself the question before asking others

No, he was a CIA installed dictator.

Aren't they all

So you'd be happier if the women were given lethal injections?

Could you just answer the question?

No. Killing a woman because she had an affair or killed a rapist trying to abuse her is wrong. You on the other hand give the impression it is acceptable.

Et tu, Brute?

Rofl.

Ooooh Latin. I'm so intimidated.

Why then do you get so muddled?

 

[marine1]

Alan you are kicking their butts

 

[Skeptik]

Xarog is dodging questions again. I'm abandoning arguing with simpletons.

 

[Xarog]

So why haven't they held onto other territory they gained through "conquest".

You CAN'T be serious!?

Really. Are these the views of the majority of Israelis

Just look who they vote for. Right now it IS the majority. That's why there's settlers all over the occupied territories - because they believe they have a religious mandate to occupy and rule the land.

Not all Israelis believe it though, and I've heard people espouse the opinion that if it wasn't for the problems in dealing with the palestinians et. al. that Israel would be rocked by a civil war.

Ah. You telling me that's just rhetoric and he doesn't actually believe it himself.

Bad example. I think he really does believe it. But then he also believes that God talks to him directly and that he's on a divine mission.

So who's side you on then

No one's.

The U.S a police state

Patriot act, TIPS, Warrantless Wiretapping, Guantanamo Bay, Military Commissions Act of 2006...

Yeah, I'm not going to any place that thinks that habeas corpus rights are something the government only has to uphold if it feels like it.

Woman hold a peacefull demonstration for their rights and State Security Forces clamp it down and arrest them.

Just like in America you get arrested if you don't protest in specially designated areas kilometers from the actual thing being protested and out of sight or earshot from anyone else.

Where's the morals in Iran if America is bankrupt then.

Yeah, so because America isn't a nice place to live, Iran must be heaven on earth? Please.

Really. Where are the democracies in the muslim world? Have I said anything about Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, Dubai, Indonesia, Qatar...... being a threat to anyone?

And how many of those are Pro-US despite the fact that the majority of the population aren't, and the fact that the rulers have to maintain an iron grip in order to maintain power? Is that what you call self-determination? Guess the yanks had nothing to moan about in the 1770s.

Why not?

Beacuse then they could have been used in the first days of the War by Saddam. Afterall, if there were these massive stores of weapons, why didn't he use them?

Aren't they all

No, not all.

No. Killing a woman because she had an affair or killed a rapist trying to abuse her is wrong.

So then say so and stop whining about the way that it's done. "Putting women to death for illegitimate reasons" is not the same as "stoning women to death."

You on the other hand give the impression it is acceptable.

Then I suggest you stop reading into what I say.

Why then do you get so muddled?

I'd rather get a little muddled some of the time rather than being ignorant most of the time.

Xarog is dodging questions again. I'm abandoning arguing with simpletons.

Yeah, says the person who refuses to source their claims about Hezbollah ditching uniforms.