Anal Rape not Rape

Basically SA law at the moment defines Rape as being done by a man on a woman. When the new sexual offences act is enacted then it will broaden the definition to include any form of forced sexual interaction (man on man, man on woman and I guess woman on woman).
What the concourt has done is rule that any man that anally rapes a woman is from now on guilty of rape.
The concourt would have to have forced the government to change the law, something that the court doesn't want to do and knows that the government is in the process of doing ATM anyway.
I thought that they would rule that any penetration was rape but having seen the judgement they have made the legally correct decision.
 
Basically SA law at the moment defines Rape as being done by a man on a woman. When the new sexual offences act is enacted then it will broaden the definition to include any form of forced sexual interaction (man on man, man on woman and I guess woman on woman).
What the concourt has done is rule that any man that anally rapes a woman is from now on guilty of rape.
The concourt would have to have forced the government to change the law, something that the court doesn't want to do and knows that the government is in the process of doing ATM anyway.
I thought that they would rule that any penetration was rape but having seen the judgement they have made the legally correct decision.

While it does appear you are able to make that point, it is disturbing that the government and courst are more concerned with the letter of the law than with sending out a strong signal.
No doubt exists in my mind, that as a result of this, male "rape" will increase.

If as much effort was made in protecting the citizens of SA as is made on semantic interpretations of legal texts, we could all be safe.
 
So out of interest sake, what IS "male rape" under the law? "Violent Assault" ? Adding AIDS to it, "Attempted Murder" ?

Which crime gives the longest sentence? Rape or Assault? [and/or Attempted Murder] ?
 
That judge is an idiot, imo. The constitution expressly forbids gender discrimination, and for him to rule that this decision is legislative is him IGNORING the bloody constitution he's SUPPOSED to uphold.
 
While it does appear you are able to make that point, it is disturbing that the government and courst are more concerned with the letter of the law than with sending out a strong signal.
No doubt exists in my mind, that as a result of this, male "rape" will increase.

If as much effort was made in protecting the citizens of SA as is made on semantic interpretations of legal texts, we could all be safe.

while i understand your frustrations, but the process (in any country) is the same. so it is ridiculous to aim your anger at the judiciary when it is the legislative side that is dragging its feet in ensuring that this is correctly categorised.
 
while i understand your frustrations, but the process (in any country) is the same. so it is ridiculous to aim your anger at the judiciary when it is the legislative side that is dragging its feet in ensuring that this is correctly categorised.

Hmmm, I seem to have aimed my anger in a splash affect covering all the departments involved. And I stand by that.

And, any attempt to compare us to another country is doomed to failure, as no one (be it "my side"[1] or the government) seems to want to do that.


[1] by "my side" I mean people who criticize the government - I would appreciate that later posters not read anything else into that.
 
Non-consensual, penile penetration of a woman whether it be anal
or vaginal, constitutes rape, the Constitutional Court ruled on
Thursday.
However it refused to find that non-consensual anal penetration
of a man was rape, holding that this was the function of the
legislators and not the court.
"It can hardly be said that non-consensual, anal penetration of
males is less degrading, humiliating and traumatic (than that of
females)..." Justice Bess Nkabinde found in a majority judgment.
"That this is so does not mean that it is unconstitutional to
have a definition which is gender-specific.
"Focusing on anal penetration of females should not be seen as
being disrespectful to male bodily integrity or insensitive to the
trauma suffered by male victims of anal violation, especially boys
of the age of the complainant in this case."
The challenge was brought by Fanuel Sitakeni Masiya, 44, who was
charged with raping a nine-year-old girl on March 16 2004.
He pleaded not guilty. The evidence found that the child had
been anally, but not vaginally, penetrated.
At the time, the common law definition of rape was
non-consensual vaginal sexual intercourse. However, the Graskop
Regional Court decided that this definition needed to be developed.
"Why must the unconsensual sexual penetration of a girl (or boy)
per anum be regarded as less injurious, less humiliating and less
serious than the unconsensual sexual penetration of a girl per
vaginam?" it asked.
"The distinction appears on face value to be irrational and
totally senseless, because the anal orifice is no less private, no
less subject to injury and abuse, and its sexual penetration no
less humiliating than the vaginal orifice."
Upholding the finding, the Pretoria High Court held that the
distinction between the sentences for rape and indecent assault
resulted in "inadequate protection and discriminatory sentencing".
Nkabinde found that the High Court had erred and set aside its
order in its entirety.
She held that the extension of the common law definition of rape
to include non-consensual penile penetration of the female anus
would be in the interests of justice.
The facts did not require the court to consider whether the
definition be extended to include non-consensual penetration of the
male anus.

She ordered Masiya's rape conviction set aside and replaced with
a conviction of indecent assault. She referred his case back to the
regional court for sentencing.
Nkabinde held that the new definition was not retrospective --
and therefore not applicable to Masiya -- but effective from May
10, the date of judgment.

The bold part makes wonder whether if the case had been of man on man anal rape, the court might have ruled it as rape.
 
This judgement is absolutely 100% correct.

1) As previously pointed out, the courts cannot make law, or hand down decisions based on what they think the law should be. They apply the law of the land. If the constitutional court finds that a law is contrary to the constitution, then they can revoke that law or clause. They cannot substitute their own law. They certainly cannot as suggested by a previous poster "Change the Law". This is a very important constitutional principal. Part of the seperation the the legislative and Judicial arms (which the current government has not tried to subvert unlike the previouse one). Unfortunately the legal definition of rape as enacted by parlament in this country stems back decades and is still in the process of being updated. (Incidentaly, the current legal definition is based on the common law so revoking it won't help at all).

2) The judgement has nothing to do with male on male rape. It was a remark made in passing by the judge. The actual case concerned the anal rape of a girl. The judge could also have remarked for instance, that it is impossible under South African law for a woman to rape another woman.

It is crazy to take this as a sign that SA is somehow going down. This is a problem that has existed forever in many, many countries. If anything, SA is actually more advanced than most of the world in this regard. Sometimes I get the impression that people are trying to interperate anything they can into something negative to say about SA. I criticize the government a lot. But I don't attempt to twist everything into a criticism be it deserved or not.

A further point to note is that it also doesn't mean that male to male forced anal penetration is not a crime. It still is, but it's called indecent assault instead of rape. There are some legal ramifications of this, but it's not like the you can get away with it.
 
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This judgement is absolutely 100% correct.

1) As previously pointed out, the courts cannot make law, or hand down decisions based on what they think the law should be. They apply the law of the land. If the constitutional court finds that a law is contrary to the constitution, then they can revoke that law or clause. They cannot substitute their own law. They certainly cannot as suggested by a previous poster "Change the Law".

They can and they do all the time.

What you are saying about revoking a law is doing just that. The CC can declare legislation inconsistent with the Constitution and thus invalid. ALL LAW is subject to the constitution.

What you say about this case not having anything to do with male rape, is true though. As such it is not clear what would happen if such a case were to come to court.
 
Men can have their child lawfully murdered by the mother of their child
Nope they can't. Again, a matter of definitions.

*Murder is by definition unlawfull. there is no such thing as a lawfull murder.
*A feotus under a certain number of weeks is not legally a child.
 
They can and they do all the time.
No they don't. Example?
What you are saying about revoking a law is doing just that. The CC can declare legislation inconsistent with the Constitution and thus invalid. ALL LAW is subject to the constitution.
Nope. It's declaring a law created by the legislature to be contrary to the constitution (the big law) and therefore to be invalid. The law then merely falls away and goes back to the previouse position. (Which would be that male on male penetration is not rape.
What you say about this case not having anything to do with male rape, is true though. As such it is not clear what would happen if such a case were to come to court.
Most likely the court would find that it was not rape, but indecent assault and refer it back to the lower court. But as soon as the updated act is passed, it will be rape. The perp is still going to jail. Probably for the same length of time (negligable).
 
No they don't. Example?

Marriage Act Ammendment just passed
Nope. It's declaring a law created by the legislature to be contrary to the constitution (the big law) and therefore to be invalid. The law then merely falls away and goes back to the previouse position. (Which would be that male on male penetration is not rape.
That is similar to what I said.

Most likely the court would find that it was not rape, but indecent assault and refer it back to the lower court. But as soon as the updated act is passed, it will be rape. The perp is still going to jail. Probably for the same length of time (negligable).

Yes.
 
This judgement is absolutely 100% correct.

1) As previously pointed out, the courts cannot make law, or hand down decisions based on what they think the law should be. They apply the law of the land. If the constitutional court finds that a law is contrary to the constitution, then they can revoke that law or clause. They cannot substitute their own law. They certainly cannot as suggested by a previous poster "Change the Law". This is a very important constitutional principal. Part of the seperation the the legislative and Judicial arms (which the current government has not tried to subvert unlike the previouse one). Unfortunately the legal definition of rape as enacted by parlament in this country stems back decades and is still in the process of being updated. (Incidentaly, the current legal definition is based on the common law so revoking it won't help at all).
The constitution is a law. It is the highest law in the country. It says that discrimination on the basis of gender is illegal. The rape definition discriminates solely on the basis of gender, and thus it is illegal. The constitutional court should have ordered the government to fix this mistake, as it has done many times in the past.
 
Xarog - the issue of forced male anal sex was not the matter the Constitutional Court was presiding over and as such cannot pronounce on whether the law is constitutional or not.
 
Xarog - the issue of forced male anal sex was not the matter the Constitutional Court was presiding over and as such cannot pronounce on whether the law is constitutional or not.

To quote Charles Dickens "The law is a ass" (no pun intended).

To quote an erstwhile manager of mine, the Constitutional Court is about " ... as useful as tits on a boar."
 
voila
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20070522152250303C313288
SA passes progressive rape law
South African lawmakers on Tuesday passed amended legislation to broaden the definition of rape in a country with sky-high rates of sex crimes and HIV and Aids.

The sexual offences amendment bill, in the making for over a decade, now defines rape as any sexual penetration, including of the anus or mouth, without consent - irrespective of the victim or perpetrator's gender.

The crime of rape is broadened beyond forced vaginal penetration to include forced oral sex and male rape, hitherto classified as indecent assault.

It also includes forced sexual penetration using an inanimate object or animal genitalia.

"The objects of the bill (include) creating offences which are intended to address the relatively high incidence of sexual offences committed in the republic," says an explanatory memorandum.


The legislation allows rape victims to obtain a court order for compulsory HIV testing of alleged offenders and for the results to be revealed to them.

It also entitles victims of sexual offences to be provided with post-exposure anti-Aids drugs at state expense.

The bill would furthermore create a register of people convicted of sexual offences against children and the mentally handicapped to ensure they were not employed to work with such vulnerable groups or adopt children.

The amended law was supported by all political parties in the National Assembly and was passed unanimously.
 
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