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Fulcrum29
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I am glad to see that MyBB is a voice (by Forumnites) to attend to what is not right. On Facebook everybody would rampage on and on with this issue, only making it worse.
ANC or DA or any other party, we are all MyBB Forumnites.
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Hence prefer to ramble on here, the level of the bar is rather high.
I expect the data I see on DA feeds to be accurate. Just like anyone else would . Unfortunately I dont have as much spare time as you, which is why I rely on the data Im been fed to be accurate. In an organization with thousands of people, mistakes happen. What this list did was create some serious internal discussion on how such misleading information made a DA feed and Im pretty sure even Athol knows about this now. Someone got into a bit of trouble for this because it makes the DAEC and whoever shares the information look like tits.
Ive been told that safeguards are been put in place to ensure that such bad information doesnt make the DAEC feed again. Mistakes can and do happen. Especially in an organization as big as the DA. Its how they dealt with that mistake that is more telling. They did something about it and have taken steps to ensure it does not happen again.
You need to keep trough full so the piggies can feed.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
I fully disagree. SARS is failing at taxing a fair portion of the population. Their Tax base is extremely small and under tremendous pressure.
And to top it all off, they are unfairly harassing current taxpayers with multiple audits and an assumption of guilty until proven innocent instead of going after non-taxpayers.
SARS announces every year that they are going to clamp down on non-payers, but what they actually mean is they are going to squeeze more juice out of an already dry lemon. There are massive industries and segments that are not being taxed at all because they are "informal" or "previously disadvantaged".
They might be bringing in a lot of money for the ANC government, but when it comes to actual on the ground efficiency they are failing dismally.
Good work. And at least there is immediate and appropriate action on the DA's part...
That's more of an enforcement of policies issue and a political one. They are slowly instituting revisions to the tax code to widen the tax base but it is a difficult issue to address when the majority of those lost through the net are cash-based employees with no bank accounts. In the government's defence, they have for some time now been supporting lower LSM level banking through micro-lenders and simple card-based banking. Many of the DTIs funding programmes (as an example) have supported these initiatives on the basis of it being policy driven from the finance department, instituted by Trevor Manuel and commendably received continued support.
With regards to taxis (for example), they require a tax clearance certificate to operate, but they don't declare nearly what they should be. Once again on the basis of this being a cash transaction, which let's face it, is not unique to them. Government have been trying to institute cash-less systems for taxis for a while now but the "taxi mafia" bosses revolt time and time again. It also doesn't help when taxi bosses squirm their way up the ANC leadership ladder.
The sad fact is that the government does attempt to do some things right, but they are corrupted to the core, so much so that they become inept at enforcing any positive change for the vast majority of issues. Most of the issues this country faces are borne out of ANC corruption to the very upper echelons of their cabal. If you think about it, even issues like the secrecy bill are symptoms of a corrupt system where the exposing of the corruption is so horribly skewed against one political party that they feel the need to classify everything they do, even in municipalities. Funny how the only changes they're able to truly agree upon internally are those that obfuscate their goings on.
This country would be a far better place if the ANC changed its internal policies and procedures to ensure true separation from internal financial influence...
Maverick Jester
The Special One
But then, it would mean that they would need to do the jobs they were voted into government to perform... ain't nobody in the ANC got time for that...
No not everybody. I certainly don't. This case is a perfect example why. Especially if it's a wall post on a fb page
It took a few seconds to realize this list was dodgy to say the least.
You know, it's not really about doing their jobs for the most part - incompetence reaches the upper echelons through corruption. Corruption is the major issue.
In recent months I have met a few ANC officials (very senior) who really are committed to their jobs.
They're also corrupt to the core and demanded bribes to actually perform their jobs. They also demand retainer fees and expenses to bribe other officials with. Our project is effectively doomed without their input, so what does one do? This happened with nearly every single interaction with a government department, and even some non-government departments who just so happen to wield considerable control and can make or break deals. Anyone familiar with the Patrick Sokhela issues will be able to deduce what it is I'm referring to here.
Incredibly sad situation...
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Tender award bribes comes to mind
Maverick Jester
The Special One
Indeed it is, but this is what I was referring to.
Perhaps this is my opinion, and perhaps I have too much hope in the prerogatives of our politicians, but performing their jobs as such, with the premise of a corrupt bent to it, is surely NOT doing what they were elected to do? Your example highlights this perfectly. The intention is not to actually satisfy the purpose of their roles, that is done as a byproduct of their enrichment scheme.
It is incredibly sad that this is the de-facto way of operation within the ANC, and possibly the rest of our political parties. I honestly have no faith in any other party out there, running the country much differently to the ANC. What incentive do they have for doing so?
Meh, I just become very negative even thinking about it all...
I'm not even talking about tender bribes yet. I'm talking about things like EIAs and ensuring no violent local community revolts. There are processes in deals I'm involved in that take upwards of 18 months for approval, and have been so pervasively taken over by corrupt individuals that they can put an end to multi-billion rand developments on the basis of you not paying them a bribe. They are happy to destroy local investment and community development on the basis of their syndicate not being involved and them not being paid retainer fees. They go as far as to having you sign MOUs and HOAs with their companies that they have fronted by other individuals. When they leave office, they simply take over as majority shareholders in these companies though various other corrupt BEE deals.
I'll give you an example of how this takes place: Company A prepare documents for a department for approval. Official B says that he cannot process the documents for two years as there is a backlog. Company A pays legal fees to ensure that the issue is expedited. Eventually bribes are paid via attorneys through various trusts to a separate company fronted by a representative of the officials. Plans are expedited for approval. Senior official calls a meeting to state that he cannot process the documents on the basis of reasons that he has completely made up. Company A pays more legal fees to legally challenge the objections. Official calls another meeting sans attorneys and threatens to use external influence to block all future plans (i.e. violence from community members and legal challenges from them). Official A requests shares in Company A via representatives of his (mostly white guys, you'd be surprised). Deal goes ahead, official is removed from office or leaves voluntarily, and now forms a new BEE company representing the local community. Ex-official now strong-arms a BEE deal through his new company and the representative company with Company A to secure full ownership of the shares.
Official effectively takes majority control, sells interests to various other parties to make up the board.
This is, of course, just an example of how things take place in this dodgy world of ANC corruption and indulgence, but it happens. Most large deals these days simply cannot take place without bribes being paid, and no amount of reporting it helps as you end up on the wrong side of government syndicate legal and personal threats and challenges.
And yet Zuma has the absolute gall to blame corruption on the private sector, as if it is the private sector enticing people in. Paying bribes increases your costs and for no benefit apart from actually having the government do their jobs. The private sector would for the most not engage in corrupt dealings if the government didn't make it nigh on impossible to have to do so. The benefits of investment in SA are largely eroded because of this...
Thingyyyyyy
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Same experience here.
+1
How sad is it that companies, particularly SMEs have to ring-fence portions of equity for this purpose? It really dilutes the value of investment in this space...