ANC MPs in Dina Pule's defence

ShaunSA

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Oh yeah that word "culture" again. I can dress a pig in a panty and call it "culture"
 

Bizkit87

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OMG what did i just read.

So instead of kicking her out, opening a case of corruption and theft at the SAPS, the ANC is mad that they aired her dirty laundry?

Suppose we can't expect the ANC not to shelter the criminals, otherwise the whole party will be kicked out.

I would LOVE the ANC defendants on here to justify this, please do. I await your best creative explanation
 

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The day before disgraced former communications minister Dina Pule was reprimanded and apologised to Parliament, the men who brought her to book were taken to task by their ANC counterparts for the way in which they handled the matter.

Angry ANC MPs sympathetic to Pule accused Ben Turok and Lemias Mashile, who co-chaired Parliament’s joint committee for ethics and members’ interests, of relying on patriarchal rules and possibly being culturally insensitive.

Three ANC MPs told the Mail & Guardian that Turok had been grilled on two occasions since releasing the findings on Pule earlier this month, firstly at a meeting of the ANC whips on August 14 and again on Monday, the day before he presented his report to Parliament.

The MPs questioned the airing of Pule’s personal affairs in the report as well as the presentation of the findings to the media before they were presented to the party and Parliament. They also questioned the recommendation that the case be referred to law enforcement agencies.

Cultural limitations

They also questioned whether the committee had considered cultural limitations, especially regarding single women, in their judgment of Pule.

On August 7, Turok and Mashile told journalists the allegations against Pule related to the nondisclosure of the financial interests of her boyfriend, Phosane Mngqibisa, who benefited from several privileges during his association with Pule, including gaining financial, material and business benefits.

Pule has been dogged by allegations of funnelling contracts worth millions and government resources to Mngqibisa, primarily during the Information and Communication Technology Indaba last year.

“Pule did not declare her association with Mngqibisa as she was obligated to do in terms of the code of conduct,” said Mashile.

Long standing friendship

Pule has repeatedly denied that Mngqibisa was her boyfriend but confirmed that she has a long-standing friendship with him.

“As a result of lengthy and detailed investigations, the panel found that Mr Mngqibisa was the de facto permanent companion or spouse to Pule,” found a seven-member panel, which was appointed by the ethics committee to investigate the matter.

“Through that relationship, he was able to obtain government funding for overseas trips and participate in official meetings despite having no formal department role in respect thereof.

“He was further able to obtain financial benefits for himself and his company, Khemano, as a result of his relationship with Pule,” the panel found.

Code of conduct patriarchal

But ANC MPs have a different take on the matter.

They believe that limitations — both cultural and patriarchal — are placed on unmarried women about publicly declaring their love interest.

Sources say MPs were asking whether the code of conduct for MPs, the rules of Parliament and the Ministerial Handbook were sensitive to all cultures and perhaps patriarchal in their nature.

“That’s why you saw sympathy towards Dina on Tuesday,” said one MP, explaining why some of her colleagues sympathised with Pule.

Unfair treatment

Sources claim that the chief whip of the National Council of Provinces, Nosipho Ntwanambi, who is also the deputy president of the ANC Women’s League, allegedly led the attack in the August 14 meeting, asking why Pule had been treated differently from ANC MP Yolanda Botha.

The ethics committee disciplined Botha, who disregarded tender procedures while she was head of the social development department in the Northern Cape, and signed lease agreements that benefited a company called Trifecta Investment Holdings. In return, Trifecta apparently made renovations worth about R1.2-million to her house.

The committee found that the benefits Botha received “accrued from an improper or generally corrupt relationship” with Trifecta and handed her the maximum penalty of a reprimand and a fine of 30 days’ salary.

The ethics committee initially proposed that aspects of Botha’s conduct be referred to the police, the Public Service Commission and the South African Revenue Service, but the ANC interfered and forced the committee to change its recommendations so that the matter was not referred to law enforcement agencies.

Ntwanambi also allegedly asked about the public airing of Pule’s personal affairs and the referral of the case to law enforcement agencies.

Ntwanambi refused to comment, saying: “We don’t talk about the ANC internal things.” Ben Turok also refused to comment, saying the organisational processes of the ANC “were not your business”.

Source: Mail & Guardian
Criminals support criminals IMO.
 

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Why are we surprised ?
The head of the ANC political school is a convicted fraudster (and drunk driver), she is simply following the ANC ethos of self enrichment via any and all means.
 

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OMG what did i just read.

So instead of kicking her out, opening a case of corruption and theft at the SAPS, the ANC is mad that they aired her dirty laundry?

Suppose we can't expect the ANC not to shelter the criminals, otherwise the whole party will be kicked out.

I would LOVE the ANC defendants on here to justify this, please do. I await your best creative explanation
It has become the way of the ANC under Zuma's leadership. The level of corruption and theft runs so deep now that it has become part of their so called "culture". They regularly use the word "culture" as a positive defence for their actions. One definition of "culture" is "an integrated system of learned behaviour patterns ... which are not a result of biological inheritance". The ANC has created a very corrupt culture.

When some ANC members stood up against corruption and helped vote out Tlokwe ANC mayor Maphetle, they were expelled. In Mpumalanga the whistle blower on the school book scandal last year was fired from his post. When the Scorpions became a bit too efficient in their job and started investigating too close to home, they got disbanded.

The ANC sends a very clear message to its members – either take part in the corruption or look away… all in the name of culture.
 

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Really,they complain about justice and accountability?!!!

Well there goes my vote goodbye ANC...eish cant even vote for the DA,anybody know any party worth voting for besides ANC and DA?
 

nfbs

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The gall of the majority of ANC members is really messed up
 

Zenbaas

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Really,they complain about justice and accountability?!!!

Well there goes my vote goodbye ANC...eish cant even vote for the DA,anybody know any party worth voting for besides ANC and DA?
Sorry but I'm somewhat astounded that it has taken you this long to decide to not vote for them considering their constant pilfering of the South African public funds in one way or another.
 

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Sorry but I'm somewhat astounded that it has taken you this long to decide to not vote for them considering their constant pilfering of the South African public funds in one way or another.
I was hoping they'd learn in time, I gave up hoping now after hearing that they are defending pule,time to place our bets on another horse.
 

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run to your comrades support when they get caught and they'll hopefully support you whenever you eventually get caught..
 

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They're just being "nice" to her, because they're scared she'll let all their skeletons out of the closet. Everyone's got dirt on everyone...that is their "culture". :sick:
 

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More evidence that Zuma has no control over his party and parliament, not mention their actions.
 

drukkie

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1.2 mil Renovations done to house....fined 30 days salary...unless that is her salary hahahahaha

SCORE!!
 
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koeks525

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So ANC uses Culture to justify their wrong doings. Very sad...

I can't believe there are people who are sympathetic to Pule - clearly the woman is corrupt as ****!! Leave culture out of this, and let the law dictate!!

Well I know one thing - and that is I will think 100 times before voting ANC next year.
 

Hemi300c

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They're just being "nice" to her, because they're scared she'll let all their skeletons out of the closet. Everyone's got dirt on everyone...that is their "culture". :sick:
And that Sir is the truth!
 

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That is one seriously ugly woman. Probably had to allow her 'boyfriend' to score on the fraud just so she could get some.
 

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I was hoping they'd learn in time, I gave up hoping now after hearing that they are defending pule,time to place our bets on another horse.
Why don't you want to vote for the DA?

So ANC uses Culture to justify their wrong doings. Very sad...

I can't believe there are people who are sympathetic to Pule - clearly the woman is corrupt as ****!! Leave culture out of this, and let the law dictate!!

Well I know one thing - and that is I will think 100 times before voting ANC next year.
You should have realized this a long time ago.
 

Paul Hjul

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Why don't you want to vote for the DA?
That isn't a fair question to ask somebody in this forum these days. It would be tantamount to asking somebody a question about a religious belief in 15-18th century Spain. If they give any sort of answer at all they can expect to come under suspicion of heresy and face the inquisition.

Of course the same thing happened in a different way in Elizabethan England.
 
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