ANC plotting to rig elections: Holomisa

[ToxicBunny]

They are, and so were the ones in Zim. Massive good that did, huh?

Well yes, in reality, the monitoring means absolutely nothing....

But most elections on this planet are "independently monitored"....

 

[ToxicBunny]

Anywhere I can read up as to why?

If its anything like the US's foray into electronic voting, its because the systems were too complex, too open to hacking... so even LESS secure from rigging than paper based elections.

 

[cr@zydude]

Anywhere I can read up as to why?

According to the report, the integrity of the ballot
could not be guaranteed with the equipment and
controls used.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Ireland

 

[techead]

Been waiting for this to come up

 

[Sherbang]

He must prove it or STFU

 

[ToxicBunny]

He must prove it or STFU

I think the fact that the ANC "rigs" the vote has been proven many many times before.. they've just not done it on an industrial scale yet.

 

[sox63]

I think the fact that the ANC "rigs" the vote has been proven many many times before.. they've just not done it on an industrial scale yet.

Care to list one?

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Care to list one?

Tlokwe vote fixed

 

[ToxicBunny]

The one that jumps to mind is the shifting of ward boundaries to change the voting tendencies of a ward... Borderline opposition, to outright ANC Majority...

The recent incident where they didn't allow a by-election to take place (though this may have been the IEC, I can't remember exactly)

 

[Sherbang]

Tlokwe vote fixed

Accusations by eight independent candidates does not amount to evidence or proof.

 

[sox63]

The one that jumps to mind is the shifting of ward boundaries to change the voting tendencies of a ward... Borderline opposition, to outright ANC Majority...

The recent incident where they didn't allow a by-election to take place (though this may have been the IEC, I can't remember exactly)

Okay, lets start with how you define elections rigging?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Okay, lets start with how you define elections rigging?

Any action that will intentionally alter the results of an election.

You will notice I put the word in "", its not technically vote rigging, but it achieves the same results at the end of the day in my opinion.

They were close to losing a few wards, so they just change the ward boundaries to bring in more ANC voters to a ward.

 

[sox63]

Any action that will intentionally alter the results of an election.

You will notice I put the word in "", its not technically vote rigging, but it achieves the same results at the end of the day in my opinion.

They were close to losing a few wards, so they just change the ward boundaries to bring in more ANC voters to a ward.

Like you said its not vote rigging. Vote rigging in the Zimbawean sense is a dead serious allegation and IMO, the word "rigging" should not be anywhere unless someone has hard evidence and is not talking crap at a political rally.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I still see it as vote rigging, but more of a legally sanctioned version, but that doesn't make it any less ethically questionable.

 

[itareanlnotani]

Moving the boundaries / joining disparate area's is called Gerrymandering.
ANC is definitely guilty of that, time and time again, even if its not "illegal" per se.