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Angry state doctors have found a powerful political ally in the ANC Youth League, which says it is throwing its weight behind a planned strike by the medicos for better pay.

The ANCYL has now said it will support the ongoing wage dispute by the doctors, with league president Julius Malema saying “the issue of doctors is not open for debate, they must get salary increases”.

State doctors threaten to go on strike tomorrow unless the government meets their demand for a 50percent wages increase – as opposed to government’s 5percent offer. They also plan to march in Pretoria to the Department of Health.

Briefing the media at the ANC’s Luthuli House headquarters, Malema said the league would join the doctors’ strike if the government did not respond to their plight.

“We are going to join these doctors as the ANC Youth League because we don’t understand why (their case has not been resolved). And the profession of doctors is degenerating in such a way that it is quite unacceptable.”

Malema said the league would talk to the ANC national executive committee this weekend and demand a

report from Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi explaining why his department had not resolved the strike.

“Why should a minister acknowledge that doctors are not paid properly but there is no increase?”

Malema said doctors were within their rights to strike – despite emergency workers signing an oath barring them from striking.

“They have reached a point where they must now stand up.” The department says healthcare services “will

continue” at public hospitals despite the planned strike tomorrow.

Department spokesman Fidel Hadebe said yesterday that the government would consider activating “a range of interventions” based on the impact of the strike.

“The right to access healthcare is a constitutional and legal one that we take very seriously.”

The doctors’ spokesperson Lebogang Phahladira said there would be buses from North West, Mpumalanga and Limpopo to transport striking doctors to Pretoria.

He said about 5000 doctors would join the march and “only a few” would remain at work to attend to emergency cases.

“We will attend to emergency cases only, like accidents and pregnant women.”

Source: Sowetan

Malema said doctors were within their rights to strike – despite emergency workers signing an oath barring them from striking.

Inkwenkwe, find a brain in the bargain bin and STFU.

“We will attend to emergency cases only, like accidents and pregnant women.”

Um... Yes, because people only die from accidents and pregnancies. *sarcasm*

Just when I think Stupid couldn't get worse, it becomes sentient, takes the form of the ANCYL and its supporters, becomes a race of its own and anything said against it will obviously be racism. Wait and see...
 
I'm with the doctors as well on this. Their pay is poor and the OSD agreement was supposed to implemented ages ago.
 
WTF is up with people striking in an economy that is on the brink of collapsing?! Don't they understand that if they keep this up, they will have no jobs?!

GET BACK TO WORK YOU LAZY BUMS!
 
WTF is up with people striking in an economy that is on the brink of collapsing?! Don't they understand that if they keep this up, they will have no jobs?!

GET BACK TO WORK YOU LAZY BUMS!

Lets see YOU earn what they earn with their workload, and see if you will be happy.:rolleyes:
 
I'm with the doctors as well on this. Their pay is poor and the OSD agreement was supposed to implemented ages ago.

I agree they should be paid better and also trained better.

Lets see YOU earn what they earn with their workload, and see if you will be happy.:rolleyes:

Well I am sorry but they sould not get a pay increase because they are doctors but it should be given on qaulification and work load scales... I am sorry but getting a degree from Medunsa is not good enough IMO.

State doctors threaten to go on strike tomorrow unless the government meets their demand for a 50percent wages increase

Bhahahahaha! I am sorry but asking for a 50% increase is stupid.

Go for a yearly increase of 5-15 % depending on performance like in any business
 
WTF is up with people striking in an economy that is on the brink of collapsing?! Don't they understand that if they keep this up, they will have no jobs?!

GET BACK TO WORK YOU LAZY BUMS!

Maybe should ask yourself why they want to strike before saying what you have.

This is good, doctors work crappy hours and get paid peanuts.
 
I agree.. doctors do get paid peanuts... But I'm not for this strike at all.... there has to be a better solution that doesn't put the lives of the patients at risk.
 
I agree they should be paid better and also trained better.

Agreed.


Well I am sorry but they sould not get a pay increase because they are doctors but it should be given on qaulification and work load scales... I am sorry but getting a degree from Medunsa is not good enough IMO.

Agreed again :)

I agree.. doctors do get paid peanuts... But I'm not for this strike at all.... there has to be a better solution that doesn't put the lives of the patients at risk.

*nod*
 
Funny thing is I heard Malema this morning
on SAFM saying strikes are not good for the flailing economy.
 
Funny thing is I heard Malema this morning
on SAFM saying strikes are not good for the flailing economy.

In Afrikaans:

Sy oggend en aand praatjies is nie dieselfde nie.;)

English he has no idea what he is talking about and makes it up as he goes.
 
The doctors have apparently been picketing during their lunch so as not to impact patients and look where that got them. I think they are being royally scr#wed through all this. Maybe the best option is for them to only work on "critical" or life threatening cases.
 
Allow me to shed some light on this issue:

Doctors are not striking for a "pay increase" they are striking for the implementation of OSD (Occupation Specific Dispensation).

OSD was the Governments own idea. Simplistically it was designed so that government workers receive salaries that recognise their skills and the hours they work and that are in line with other government workers with similar training etc. Thats it, its not a complicated idea.

Everyone was very happy about this and waited patiently for it to implemented. This was 2007. Here is the government document clearly outlining what each department can expect and when they can expect it. The doctors were promised OSD by July of 2008, that was 11 months ago.

To give you an idea of what you are dealing with: some doctors take home as little R6500/month (which includes medical aid) Read this. These doctors earn this salary for working full time jobs with a mandatory overtime. The overtime is actually a huge portion of the salary but no matter how much work they do they only get paid for 80 hours overtime a month. Many of these doctors are working 200 hours of overtime a month which means that they are actually working for 120 hours every month for free!!

Your typical intern at Baragwanath can be managing 30-60 patients at any one time. This is at least 3x as much as doctors in the rest of the world. That same intern will work 116 (or more) hours per week, largely unpaid, while exposing themselves to HIV, hepatitis and everything else you can imagine. All this after 6 years of studying with annual fees of between R30 000 and R40 000 a year, that can amount to almost a quarter of a million rand in debt.

Now these doctors are tired of waiting for the government because until now the gvt "knew" that doctors would never strike and therefore just ignored the situation. So we have come to a loggerheads, the doctors are ready to give up because, lets face it, you wouldn't put up with this either and the goverment are pretending like this is all new to them.

They are demanding a minimum of 50% increase which sound like a lot but isn't. Metro bus drivers were striking because they wanted drivers with 5 years experience to get >R8000/month. Do you think it makes sense that bus drivers earn more than doctors?

Here is another government document which shows that some nurses actually received 88% increases. Pilots in the employ of the state earn far more than doctors yet are bound by very stringent laws limiting how many hours they are allowed to work in a row. Doctors are paid peanuts by comparison but are carrying out life saving procedures well past 30 hours into their sometimes 36 hour shifts.

There really is no option here, pay the doctors or they will leave. The health care system (which is hanging on by a thread) will collapse and with it the country. Logic really dictates the only possible outcome here.
 
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I'm with the doctors as well on this. Their pay is poor and the OSD agreement was supposed to implemented ages ago.

So when you're bleeding out of your eyeballs and there isn't the medical personnel on hand to see to you, will you have the same outlook? I seriously doubt it. Working conditions for doctors etc may not be ideal, however if it's not enough money go get another career. It's not like it's a sudden thing. IMO you become a doctor to help people not to make money (yes I know pipe dreams).

The Third Force has today discovered a leaked document outlining a potential strike by all ANC politicians. Apparently they aren't making as much money as they used to and they aren't happy. The Third Force for a change supports this strike action, since more will get done and less will be stolen from the people of S.A. during the strike.
 
Took a neighbor (pregnant lady) recently to Edenvale State hospital - emergency as she was about 8 months and bleeding. There was not one frigging doctor on duty - in disgust I called the hospital CEO from my cell - gave her (his receptionist) a piece of my mind & lol, suddenly there was someone on there way to attend to her. There must have been about a dozen other patients in similar dire straits waiting outside for treatment & I gave all them the CEO's number to call. Pathetic situation there - but as someone already pointed out the Blacks will still vote for that (and worse to come) situations! You are as good as dead without Med Aid in SA!
 
So when you're bleeding out of your eyeballs and there isn't the medical personnel on hand to see to you, will you have the same outlook? I seriously doubt it. Working conditions for doctors etc may not be ideal, however if it's not enough money go get another career. It's not like it's a sudden thing. IMO you become a doctor to help people not to make money (yes I know pipe dreams).

You are entirely correct and entirely incorrect at the same time. Doctors feel the same as you, that is why its taken them almost a year to do anything and that is why when they picket it's on their lunch break (I'd say lunch hour but who are we kidding?).

Medicine is about helping people, but when there isn't enough food at home at the end of the month you have to wonder at what cost?

The problem is if they don't get an increase there will be a mass exodus of doctors and no one left to help you when you really are bleeding out of your eyes. 37% of posts in government hospital are empty at the moment. Do you think people are queueing up for this torture? What will happen if that figure becomes 50% unfilled. What will happen when its 100?
 
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