ANCYL talks war

[LazyLion]

http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/03/02/ancyl-talks-war

Supporters of expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema - in an outright show of anger - are finalising a defiance campaign against the ANC.
They want their leader back in power.

They have gone so far as threatening to "take up arms" to overturn the ANC's decision to expel him.

Barely 24 hours after Malema was given the boot for bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing divisions within its ranks, thousands of his supporters are gathering against the mother body in a full show of force.

Provincial youth structures were yesterday devising aggressive "war plans" and were mobilising tens of thousands of their members to "send out a stern message that we will not be bullied".

Malema, ANC Youth League spokesman Floyd Shivambu and secretary-general Sindiso Magaqa unsuccessfully appealed against their suspensions after ANC leaders charged them with ill-discipline.

In a statement, the youth league said: ''This too shall pass - aluta continua!"

The provincial leaderships of Eastern Cape, Gauteng, Free State, Mpumalanga and Western Cape have pledged their "unwavering support" to Malema and have held emergency meetings to get their campaign started.

Today, the Eastern Cape's OR Tambo region will convene to garner more support from its structures - this province alone has 126000 unaudited youth league members.

Limpopo, Malema's home province, and KwaZulu-Natal - though divided in their support for the embattled leader - have joined the defiance campaign.

Said Eastern Cape league spokesman Nkosinathi Nomatiti: "We will fight to the bitter end. It's not just about Malema but about the entire youth league.

"All economic freedom fighters are ready to take up arms, even if this means we are all expelled," said Nomatiti.

He said the fight was not over.

A special meeting of the youth league's national executive committee has been called for Sunday to seek guidance on the way forward.

By yesterday afternoon, it had emerged that the provinces would launch several programmes, including:

Convening back-to-back public gatherings across provinces to stress that "What happened is not right";

Having Malema and other youth league leaders travel the country to drum up support; and

Holding demonstrations outside ANC provincial headquarters.

All this, said provincial leaders, would culminate in a protest outside Luthuli House, the ANC national HQ in Johannesburg, either before Malema's appeal to the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals, which is due in 13 days, or on the day the verdict is announced.

"If you think the chaos at Luthuli House last year was big, then wait and see what lies ahead," warned one provincial leader.

In Gauteng, some members said government departments should also be targeted.

The clandestine plans were unfolding on the same day that the ANC deliberated the issue of discipline at its political school in Irene, Pretoria.

Western Cape's Senzeni Mphila dared the ANC to expel all youth league members from the party on the basis that Malema - through the pronouncements that got him into trouble - spoke on behalf of the entire youth organisation.

Limpopo's league treasurer, Rudzani Ludere, said only league members could decide on the future of their leader "through internal processes".

"We wish to state that the [ANC national disciplinary committee's] decision to expel the ANCYL president and suspend the memberships of Shivambu and Magaqa is unacceptable to the youth league of Limpopo," Ludere said.

According to the youth league, the disciplinary action against Malema was politically motivated and meant to settle political battles within the ANC ahead of its elective conference in Mangaung in December.

"We are aware that there are some people in the ANC who believe that, by removing certain leaders of the ANCYL, they will be able to suppress and undermine political and ideological struggles of the league," said Ludere.

Free State league secretary Lebogang Magoera, said: "The fact that the ANC had refused to engage with us was a clear indication that they wanted to isolate Malema. But we will continue to treat him as our president."

Pro-Malema KwaZulu-Natal convener Vukani Ndlovu said avenues would be explored to ensure that Malema remained the league's president.

But while Malema's supporters were making plans to defend him, a surge of anti-Malema sentiment was spreading in KwaZulu-Natal and Limpopo.

KwaZulu-Natal ANCYL chairman Mthandeni Dlungwane said the league was happy that the party had taken such a bold step against Malema.

"Many similar decisions have been taken by the organisation in its 100 years. The decisions are painful to some people but the ANC has spoken.

"He is not the first one."

Told you this was not over....

 

[Nicodeamus]

if they use the amount of energy spent on nonsense to just study and work then this country would be unbeatable.

 

[copacetic]

Let them gather, and then let's drop a big ****ing bomb on their tiny little heads.

 

[LazyLion]

For those of you who are smart enough to realise what is going on.... Mandela came to power after the NATS and was the darling of the age... but as time went by, certain elements in the ANC were not happy with the "slow pace of reform" and "lack of socialising and nationalising agendas", so they backed Zuma at the ANC's conference in Polokwane. Now those same elements are not happy with Zuma either and are getting ready to oust him as well. This is the ANC's ugly stepchild (uneducated, militant youths who were taught defiance before all else) coming home to take over. If SA is going to crumble... this is how it will happen. Not just through corruption, not through AIDS, not through the economy... but because millions of young people want "wealth" given to them on a silver platter and they are willing to kill to get it.

 

[xrapidx]

Hopefully they kill each other.

 

[Nicodeamus]

For those of you who are smart enough to realise what is going on.... Mandela came to power after the NATS and was the darling of the age... but as time went by, certain elements in the ANC were not happy with the "slow pace of reform" and "lack of socialising and nationalising agendas", so they backed Zuma at the ANC's conference in Polokwane. Now those same elements are not happy with Zuma either and are getting ready to oust him as well. This is the ANC's ugly stepchild (uneducated, militant youths who were taught defiance before all else) coming home to take over. If SA is going to crumble... this is how it will happen. Not just through corruption, not through AIDS, not through the economy... but because millions of young people want "wealth" given to them on a silver platter and they are willing to kill to get it.

to be honest, my opinion has always been that the Mandela image was just a way to hid the true culture within the ANC.

 

[Brawler]

why the fek don't these amoebas start their own political party? Or do they want the ANC on a silver platter like they got their houses, water, electricity, education, ARVs, etc from.

 

[Rands]

The anc is screwed. If they discipline the youth, then they are seen to be 'autocratic'
if they leave them, then they are 'weak'
You cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Now watch Malemas thugs tear apart the anc and the country.

 

[satanboy]

Let me get this straight....120,000 morons are going to tear apart a country of over 40 million...sounds like a plan.

 

[Necuno]

to be honest, my opinion has always been that the Mandela image was just a way to hid the true culture within the ANC.

with all due respect to the man and related:

Unfortunately seems that RSA need mandela to die to fix itself

 

[MyWorld]

Let me get this straight....120,000 morons are going to tear apart a country of over 40 million...sounds like a plan.

120 000 willing to kill, how many of those 40 mil are willing to kill?

 

[satanboy]

120 000 willing to kill, how many of those 40 mil are willing to kill?

nope, those are the "unaudited youth league members". I don't think they all
1) support Malema
2) are willing to kill for anyone


some of you sound like my parents who see a problem behind EVERY little hill/tree/shrub/litter can

 

[waynegohl]

I have said before that Malema is being groomed for higher things.
I have said that Mandela was the Poster Boy for the ANC.
I have said that the Majority want what the minority have.

Now leading on from there we have the following scenario.

Nelson Mandela was used to get the country out of the white mans grasp and into the black mans hands. Various presidents set up structures to "take back" what was conceived to be the black mans heritage and to put the white man in the same situation as the black man was during apartheid. These changes were taking too long for some peoples liking and alliances were made to undermine those ministers who where dragging their heels and the radicals within the ANC used Malema as the "unofficial" spokes person to say things these radical ministers could not say in the corridors of power, here I am thinking Winnie is up there somewhere.

Let's see what happens and if Malema really gets shutdown for good or goes on to do higher things and if the ANC survives this at the end of the day.

 

[LazyLion]

Let me get this straight....120,000 morons are going to tear apart a country of over 40 million...sounds like a plan.

How long do you think it will take the SANDF to reign in 120,000 thugs if they decide to go on a killing spree?

 

[satanboy]

How long do you think it will take the SANDF to reign in 120,000 thugs if they decide to go on a killing spree?

Wouldn't it be fun if they started at your house...because it sounds like you are praying for this to happen. C'mon smile for a change...your face won't fall off.

 

[skimread]

Today, the Eastern Cape's OR Tambo region will convene to garner more support from its structures - this province alone has 126000 unaudited youth league members.

Rather than unaudited they should say unemployed and having nothing better to do with their time youth looking for an excuse to toi toi

 

[TJ99]

How long do you think it will take the SANDF to reign in 120,000 thugs if they decide to go on a killing spree?

Are you kidding? The army would be among the rioters breaking & benning with the finest of them, judging by their recent behaviour.

 

[FlatspinZA]

For those of you who are smart enough to realise what is going on.... Mandela came to power after the NATS and was the darling of the age... but as time went by, certain elements in the ANC were not happy with the "slow pace of reform" and "lack of socialising and nationalising agendas", so they backed Zuma at the ANC's conference in Polokwane. Now those same elements are not happy with Zuma either and are getting ready to oust him as well. This is the ANC's ugly stepchild (uneducated, militant youths who were taught defiance before all else) coming home to take over. If SA is going to crumble... this is how it will happen. Not just through corruption, not through AIDS, not through the economy... but because millions of young people want "wealth" given to them on a silver platter and they are willing to kill to get it.

I have said before that Malema is being groomed for higher things.
I have said that Mandela was the Poster Boy for the ANC.
I have said that the Majority want what the minority have.

Now leading on from there we have the following scenario.

Nelson Mandela was used to get the country out of the white mans grasp and into the black mans hands. Various presidents set up structures to "take back" what was conceived to be the black mans heritage and to put the white man in the same situation as the black man was during apartheid. These changes were taking too long for some peoples liking and alliances were made to undermine those ministers who where dragging their heels and the radicals within the ANC used Malema as the "unofficial" spokes person to say things these radical ministers could not say in the corridors of power, here I am thinking Winnie is up there somewhere.

Let's see what happens and if Malema really gets shutdown for good or goes on to do higher things and if the ANC survives this at the end of the day.

Mandela wasn't a poster boy. He was conditioned to come out of prison and spread the word of love, just as the powers that be wanted him to. Do you think for one second that they would have let him out of jail, or live when he did, if he didn't spread that message?

What the ANCYL forgets, what Madiba knew (as much as I hate it), is that THEY will stop at nothing to further THEIR own ends, and we have no chance against THEM. Why do you think the fat cats get away with what they do? As long as they toe the line, and give THEM what THEY want, they can have their nice cars, and houses, and beer money...

It's about resources, and don't make the mistake of thinking that this country wouldn't fall into a state of chaos if THEY didn't get what THEY want.

 

[Rands]

Let me get this straight....120,000 morons are going to tear apart a country of over 40 million...sounds like a plan.

120 00 today.
Let Malema spread his venom and see how that number increases and how fast. did u see the footageof what happened outside his grandmothers house? The masses of unemployed youth will be cannon fodder.

 

[daveza]

There was a radio report today saying 72% of those polled supported the disciplinary actions - I imagine a fair slice of those would have been black 'youth'.

Another interesting stat was that more people turned out for the gay pride march than fatboy's march to nowhere a while back.

I would be surprised if there were more than 10,000 really willing to make an issue out of this.