ANCYL trashes toilets

[capd]

Wait so only blacks work in those sectors? It is a god damn job dude. This is exactly my point, always want more.

You miss the point that that is the achievement they are limited to.

 

[capd]

Seeing as the richest person is black it might get them thinking about how he got there when it's only whites who are supposed to be rich.

Who's that? Tokyo? Through an early life that allowed him to get a degree and other qualifications, which these people don't have. You truly believe they don't know there are rich blacks? Shows why they would be voting ANC.

Won't help.

 

[capd]

what is your point?

do you try to tell us "everyone is equal"?
from day 1 you were born to this world you are classified already. You complain about that?

who you have to blame? => your father and mother. Why they did not work hard when they were young. You may blame apartheid, but can your son(s) ask you, "father, why you did not work hard when you were young?"

The question is, why asian people could make money during apartheid but not your father(s) and mother(s)?

Races are equal. Classes are not and some are born luckier than others. But in SA class is often determined by race. The unlucky ones are still limited and discriminated against on a racial basis and prejudice from the past, even though races are equal.

 

[daveza]

Who's that? Tokyo? Through an early life that allowed him to get a degree and other qualifications, which these people don't have. You truly believe they don't know there are rich blacks? Shows why they would be voting ANC.

Patrice Motsepe -

Mr. Motsepe began his business career as a child when he would wake early to help his entrepreneurial father by selling liquor to mine workers at his father's shop. "I must have been about eight when my dad said one day, We make so much money when you're behind the counter you should take over the business when you grow up. But it was hard work, from 6am to 8pm.

Does that sound like someone born with a silver spoon ?

 

[DreamKing]

Races are equal. Classes are not and some are born luckier than others. But the unlucky ones are still discriminated against on a racial basis and prejudice from the past, even though races are equal.

so what is your point?

who determines which "race" to do "what"?

who "discriminated against on a racial basis"? (Except anc)

I don't see your point....

 

[DreamKing]

A means "equal" (Races are equal.)
B means "Not equal" (Classes are not and some are born luckier than others. )
A = B ? (But in SA class is often determined by race.)

it dones't make sense ........

 

[Frankie]

Races are equal. Classes are not and some are born luckier than others. But in SA class is often determined by race. The unlucky ones are still limited and discriminated against on a racial basis and prejudice from the past, even though races are equal.

First its "previously disadvantaged" and now it's "born unlucky" - they need to get off their arses and work for what they want and stop believing the ANC scumbags political promises of everything free (paid for by the small tax base).

When I need casual labour, I seek out Zim's in my area, because they WORK for that money, which is something the locals aren't prepared to do.

Look what happened when the informal settlements were electrified - the free electricity quota wasn't enough to operate their households and businesses , so they bypassed the meters - in some areas they just don't pat their dues to the local council, just a culture of non-payment.
See, the locals don't take advantage of opportunities, great or small, when they arise, because it means WORK.

 

[capd]

Patrice Motsepe -



Does that sound like someone born with a silver spoon ?

Does this?

In 2008 he was 503-rd richest person in the world, by the Forbes World Billionaires List. In that same issue of Forbes magazine, it was noted that the source of his wealth was not through any entreprenial zeal but through his association with the ruling political party the African National Congress (ANC).

 

[capd]

so what is your point?

who determines which "race" to do "what"?

who "discriminated against on a racial basis"? (Except anc)

I don't see your point....

My point is that previously disadvantaged races are still limited in achieving, in aspiring and aiming and setting goals, where previously advantaged races are still advantaged by the past which does not limit their achievement, aspirations, aims and goals.

 

[Pitbull]

Easy, just don't give them more toilets

 

[daveza]

Does this?

In 2008 he was 503-rd richest person in the world, by the Forbes World Billionaires List. In that same issue of Forbes magazine, it was noted that the source of his wealth was not through any entreprenial zeal but through his association with the ruling political party the African National Congress (ANC).

Good shot, but the wealth does seem to have been hard earned and not handed on a silver platter.

From age 6, Motsepe spent school holidays working behind the counter in his father's store, where he says he learned his earliest lessons about business. "Whenever my father made a profit, he always plowed it back into the store," Motsepe recalls.

He graduated from the University of Swaziland and then became one of the few black law graduates of the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, designated whites-only by the apartheid government (Motsepe had to apply for an exemption to attend). In 1988 he joined Bowman Gilfillan, one of South Africa's largest corporate law firms, and in 1993 he became the firm's first black partner.

Regardless, there are those of all colours and backgrounds who have succeeded against apparently insurmountable odds.

 

[DreamKing]

My point is that previously disadvantaged races are still limited in achieving, in aspiring and aiming and setting goals, where previously advantaged races are still advantaged by the past which does not limit their achievement, aspirations, aims and goals.

how?

we have laws do not allow "previously disadvantaged" to be a lawyer, a doctor, a teacher, a businessman etc.....

how that possible you have that conclusion?

"previously disadvantaged races are still limited in achieving, in aspiring and aiming and setting goals"

 

[capd]

First its "previously disadvantaged" and now it's "born unlucky" - they need to get off their arses and work for what they want and stop believing the ANC scumbags political promises of everything free (paid for by the small tax base).

The fact that the majority of the previously disadvantaged still suffer does infact mean their children will born unlucky. You don't seem to understand that, and that even if they work hard they will still be limited in achieving based race/class and injustices of the past.

 

[Voltorr]

My point is that previously disadvantaged races are still limited in achieving, in aspiring and aiming and setting goals, where previously advantaged races are still advantaged by the past which does not limit their achievement, aspirations, aims and goals.

There will always be a some born at a disadvantage whether it be their families economical situation or their genetic ability to play basketball. You cannot change that, it has nothing to do with race, our past may have made it race based but it still would not change the current predicament of some being born unluckier than others.

 

[capd]

Good shot, but the wealth does seem to have been hard earned and not handed on a silver platter.



Regardless, there are those of all colours and backgrounds who have succeeded against apparently insurmountable odds.

for most it remains a dream. And not because they aren't prepared to work.

 

[capd]

how?

we have laws do not allow "previously disadvantaged" to be a lawyer, a doctor, a teacher, a businessman etc.....

how that possible you have that conclusion?

"previously disadvantaged races are still limited in achieving, in aspiring and aiming and setting goals"

Most business (>80% ?) is owned by whites. Whites would prefer to employ whites because the injustices of the past generally mean that whites are more educated and well off, have more western tradition and upbringing and are therefore prepared to work harder because they understand more about life and achieving, etc.

The Patrice Motsepe example shows us what can happen when blacks are afforded equal opportunities and work hard.

 

[capd]

There will always be a some born at a disadvantage whether it be their families economical situation or their genetic ability to play basketball. You cannot change that, it has nothing to do with race, our past may have made it race based but it still would not change the current predicament of some being born unluckier than others.

So you agree that the past has made it race based. Maybe you think its impact is less than I think it is.

 

[Frankie]

Most business (>80% ?) is owned by whites. Whites would prefer to employ whites because the injustices of the past generally mean that whites are more educated and well off, have more western tradition and upbringing and are therefore prepared to work harder because they understand more about life and achieving, etc.

The Patrice Motsepe example shows us what can happen when blacks are afforded equal opportunities and work hard.

Yes, you've got it almost right, it upbringing and culture that makes certain groups more productive / hard working, but this is not based on race - as I said before, if I need casual hire, I seek out Zim's in my area because they have a far better work ethic than locals.

 

[DreamKing]

The fact that the majority of the previously disadvantaged still suffer does infact mean their children will born unlucky. You don't seem to understand that, and that even if they work hard they will still be limited in achieving based race/class and injustices of the past.

answer it

who you have to blame? => your father and mother. Why they did not work hard when they were young. You may blame apartheid, but can your son(s) ask you, "father, why you did not work hard when you were young?"

The question is, why asian people could make money during apartheid but not your father(s) and mother(s)?

if you are not working hard NOW, how that possible the future will be changed? Don't fool yourself by "previous disadvantaged".

 

[Voltorr]

So you agree that the past has made it race based. Maybe you think its impact is less than I think it is.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it's impact, i'm saying equal opportunities for everyone will never exist regardless of race and our history .... maybe if we became communistic but then history has shown that will take away all opportunities.