ANCYL trashes toilets

[blonde one]

My point had nothing to do with the ANCYL.

your point being relevant to:

Originally Posted by capd
and secondly there are genuinely unhappy residents who want more out of life than weak metal enclosures that are prone to destruction from the elements.[/QUOTE]

to which I replied:

I see, it's ok for the ANCYL to destroy them but it's not ok for them to be destroyed by the elements? Nice try

OK, let me rephrase:
Is it better that the structures were destroyed by hooligans before the weather elements could destroy them?

 

[capd]

Not according to the articles. Some residents were very upset that their enclosures were destroyed.

The articles make it out like everyone was entirely happy. That is obviously not the case. Them upset not mean that they did not agree out of desperation. They would tkae a better alternative, obviously.

Again, we get back to the issue of budget. Where is the money for polished steel and marble going to come from? Is it better to have nothing, which they have now, or what they had? With the promise that, at some point, proper houses will be built for them.

Ofcourse its better to have what they had. This isn't about that, its about sending a message that they want to be treated better and do not want accept the bare minimum which exacerbates them being forgotten about. Their message has fusk all to do with budget, obviously they are not as realistic as we are.

Were they really? Then why are some complaining that the ANCYL destroyed their toilets?

Yes, I bet you that there really were still unhappy residents, who were not politically aligned but still upset, hence blaming the ANCYL!

Yes, it is a smear campaign. Again, and again, its the budget issue. Their shacks withstand the elements, what makes you think those structures would not have.

This is another bigoted claim. Because the article says the metal used for the toilets was the same as the shacks, it automatically means that their shacks withstand the elements.

Because you seem to be thinking that the community was geniunely not happy with these, whereas the reality is the ANCYL is unhappy that the DA provides where the ANC cannot. Just read the articles! Did you skip the part where it said there was no problem with 1250 of them, and of the last 50, most of the residents are pissed with the YL for demolishing them.

And by not genuinely happy I do not mean that the toilets/metal enclosures did not benefit their lives or that they would deny it would benefit their lives. I mean that they would still want (and should be given) more, something as simple as a concrete enclosure.

 

[capd]

So basically you would die from hunger because sandwiches is not to your liking?

No they would get food elsewhere but keep kicking up a stink about the pizza.

 

[capd]

Does this look like a pizza shop or a charity ?

To them it does. With more ingredients and equipment than any other shop, and certainly a lot more than most other hungry people in other parts of the world would ever get to see.

 

[capd]

The guy who got the peppadew sandwich actually paid for it though, hence he gets what he wants. And he works and contributes to the economy, instead of destroying property.

His family actually gave him the money.

 

[daveza]

And by not genuinely happy I do not mean that the toilets/metal enclosures did not benefit their lives or that they would deny it would benefit their lives. I mean that they would still want (and should be given) more, something as simple as a concrete enclosure.

Why exactly should they be ' given ' more ?

Given by whom and who pays for the giving ?

A lot of folk in the area are artisans - how about someone supply the bricks and mortar and they do it themselves.

I get given bugger all.

If I dont pay the lectric I get cut off.

If I don't pay the water it gets cut off.

If I don't pay the refuse it piles up.

Given means taking what you get offered.

If you don't like what is offered, stick with nothing or work for it.

 

[capd]

I don't know your skin colour and I don't really care.

However do you know what? Those people own businessess because THEY WORKED FOR THEM it was NOT GIVEN TO THEM!!!

Except their way lives were already paved for them from when they were born because of a racial bias, not class difference.

Is your mind really that small?

 

[daveza]

To them it does. With more ingredients and equipment than any other shop, and certainly a lot more than most other hungry people in other parts of the world would ever get to see.

When I wander off to the V&A Waterfront I see boats, Jimmy Choos shoes for the missus, High-def tv's and very expensive wine.

I don't know why but every time I tell them I can't afford it but I'm going to take it anyway they either phone the police or the hospital.

 

[capd]

They, or the ANCYL? You havent read those quotes where the community actually states there were satisfied with them, have you?

Yes. They. The ones who are more grateful.. and patient.

 

[capd]

Here's mine:

Knock knock.

I'm hungry

Ok, here are some sandwiches.

I want pizza

/slams door and leaves the sandwhiches.

Easy for you to say. Oink Oink.

 

[Ancalagon]

The articles make it out like everyone was entirely happy. That is obviously not the case. Them upset not mean that they did not agree out of desperation. They would tkae a better alternative, obviously.

How do you know it wasnt the case? Because the ANCYL, an organisation known to destroy anything and everything, destroyed something? They lived around the area, but was it their toilets that the government covered? No, it wasnt. So how do you know that the actual residents were really that unhappy? You dont. You just assume because of white guilt.

Ofcourse its better to have what they had. This isn't about that, its about sending a message that they want to be treated better and do not want accept the bare minimum which exacerbates them being forgotten about. Their message has fusk all to do with budget, obviously they are not as realistic as we are.

Sending a message? To what? To whom? Are we still struggling against apartheid? Do we need passive resistance, um****o wesizwe (spelling, not sure) bombing power plants? Remember who exactly is sending the message here - its not the community, its the ANCYL. Big difference.

Yes, I bet you that there really were still unhappy residents, who were not politically aligned but still upset, hence blaming the ANCYL!

Since the new enclosures were much like the ones they had built themselves, I'm not sure I agree with that, especially given the ANCYL and not the community destroyed them. I dont doubt that they would love more out of life - a house with a garden, a pool and a lawnmower, for example - but I dont agree that they were that unhappy about these enclosures.

This is another bigoted claim. Because the article says the metal used for the toilets was the same as the shacks, it automatically means that their shacks withstand the elements.

I'm not sure how bigotry comes into it - but I see lots of white guilt. Bigotry would be saying that they are too incompetent and/or lazy to build anything that could withstand the elements. But thats not what I think, I think these poor people have been abused by the ANCYL for political points. You seem to think that in destroying these structures, the ANCYL somehow acted as the citizen's champion.

And by not genuinely happy I do not mean that the toilets/metal enclosures did not benefit their lives or that they would deny it would benefit their lives. I mean that they would still want (and should be given) more, something as simple as a concrete enclosure.

So why is it good that the ANC destroyed them? Do you not that think that there are other ways to have your voice heard?

Oh and before you say, yes but they tried that but it didnt work, they built the toilets and the enclosures didnt they? The mayor himself came to oversee the operation, and got the agreement of the residents beforehand. That doesnt sound like he didnt give a *****.

Now, because I'm sure the mayor is a smart man, he probably realizes that the community is not to blame for the destruction, that the YL is, and so hopefully he will make an accommodation for these people. But surely you can see these simple facts - money was tight, what was left was spent on the enclosures, which have now been destroyed. No money left. So where do the new enclosures come from? Let me repeat, NO MONEY ANYMORE, thanks to the YL. Even if they wanted to help (which, as we know, they do) they dont have the money to, thanks again to the YL.

And what do you think will happen when a lucky few get brick enclosures while everyone else has to ***** in corrugated iron enclosures that they built themselves.

 

[Kosmik]

Easy for you to say. Oink Oink.

Nope, easy to do to people who are ungrateful for being given food.

 

[capd]

So you clearly still think that money is created by a magician ? Where do you think that it comes from ?

It has to come from money meant for others, where else ?

Close your eyes ! Think ! Think ! Think !

It's got nothing to do with what the DA cares about, they are not magicians either !

No I do not think that. They probably do.

 

[capd]

Not talking about the Great Depression, am talking about your mates ! Right now !

The ones breaking the toilets !

Spoilt brats !!!

I'm lost again. Stop leading me down wierd paths please!

 

[capd]

your point being relevant to:

Originally Posted by capd
and secondly there are genuinely unhappy residents who want more out of life than weak metal enclosures that are prone to destruction from the elements.[/QUOTE]

to which I replied:




OK, let me rephrase:
Is it better that the structures were destroyed by hooligans before the weather elements could destroy them?

You fail to see the difference between ANCYL and genuinely unhappy residents.

 

[Jola]

I'm lost again. Stop leading me down wierd paths please!

Not surprising !

Anyone who believes that magicians create money would be a little lost !

 

[capd]

Why exactly should they be ' given ' more ?

Same reason there is AA/BEE.

 

[BBSA]

The ANC has created a nation of beggars, and we are going to pay decades to come for this.

 

[capd]

When I wander off to the V&A Waterfront I see boats, Jimmy Choos shoes for the missus, High-def tv's and very expensive wine.

I don't know why but every time I tell them I can't afford it but I'm going to take it anyway they either phone the police or the hospital.

The hospital or police will be ineffective when they see the original order that was agreed on.

 

[Jola]

The ANC has created a nation of beggars, and we are going to pay decades to come for this.

+1

To make it worse, they have a "Culture of Entitlement" - they want !!!