Anonymous hackers tackle Sony

IAMUSER said:
If you don't like their products, don't buy it, but don't go screw innocent users in the process. What these so called hackers are doing is ruining my enjoyment of a console that I payed a lot of money for.
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BS, you're not the only one who has paid a lot of money, I for one would like open architecture on my PS3 thany you very much. I'd say in return, if you dont want a hacked PS3 dont f***ing hack yours then.
IAMUSER said:
And you can call it what you like, but hacking any console is down right for piracy.
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Wrong, hacking a console or other electronic device is not illegal. Playing pirated games may be, but that's another issue.
IAMUSER said:
B*ll**** homebrew, it was just a word that was created to conceal the true intention of the hackers. If you want to run homebrew, get a f*king PC. It is easier to program and way more powerfull than the PS3 and 360 combined.
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I think this will fall on many deaf ears, we also already have PS3's remember? You want us to throw them away for you? And are you saying hacking or piracy should only be done on PC's, isn't that a little hypocritical? They are all essentially computers. Why should one be locked for a monopolistic business model and others not? Why should a company have a right to control how hardware be used, when it's no longer owned by them?
Locked hardware is done to stifle a user from using it for other reasons than the proprietor's wishes, many argue that this kind of ethic is archaic, greedy and prevents creativity.
There are many other reasons to hack than for just playing pirated software. Just look at the 1000's of unintended uses that have been made with the Microsoft Kinect. If Microsoft had not graciously kept it open-sourced, none of this would have happened. Yet Kinect is still selling like hotcakes for the Xbox.
IAMUSER said:
With piracy the developers get screwed over, who the hell is going to create games when developers start to realise that it is not profitable anymore? I would like see you guys play 'homebrew', because that is going to be the best games you're going to get. No more Uncharted, Mario, Warcraft or Gears.
As I said, if you don't like said company, just don't buy their stuff, but leave me out of your grievance - I'm not taking part in it.
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Certainly a grim scenario you're painting, do you have even the remotest piece of proof to back it up? Have you seen any Developers throwing tantrums like Sony? No, exactly, rather than make themselves ugly like Sony is, they'd rather depend on the good conscience of MOST of their users to do the right thing and pay for their software,
Anyway, again, this not about piracy. It's about opening up possibilities for a previously locked piece of hardware and people wanting the right for it to remain that way. So far, laws around the world have ultimately mostly been supportive of this. Sony on the other hand is fighting an impossible battle to prevent it from happening.
Just remember before blurting out your selfish deluded paranoia again, piracy of software is an ethical and speculative issue arising from this, but it's not the issue at hand.
 
Ask yourself this question...If I had a website (that I have put countless hours and money into) would I want hackers to attack it?

Show me the FOOL that says yes.
 
satanboy said:
Ask yourself this question...If I had a website (that I have put countless hours and money into) would I want hackers to attack it?

Show me the FOOL that says yes.
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In the same line: If I was selling a product at 100 times its value and making a killing because I had the monopoly, would I want the consumer to attack it?

Yea man, lay down and take it like a girl.
 
AcidRaZor said:
Illegal in what sense? I assume you're an ICT lawyer. So please show me the laws that has been broken here. Also list the laws the initial "PS3 hacker" broke that Sony is taking him to court for?
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Unfortunately that one is easy. This is a US court case, so US law applies. This and subsequent articles will give you a run-down of all the shena****ns since the case has been filed, together with the original complaint by Sony, and a list of all the laws they believe GeoHot broke: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110112115731533. Also, if any of them are apprehended for this, they will most likely be tried in the US or EU, so SA law won't apply to them. Therefore, looking at SA law here is a bit of a red herring.

I do find what Sony did despicable here, but legally it does seem that they are correct. Now let's see if the courts agree. GeoHot seems to have gotten a decent defence team.
 
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Valerion said:
Unfortunately that one is easy. This is a US court case, so US law applies. This and subsequent articles will give you a run-down of all the shena****ns since the case has been filed, together with the original complaint by Sony, and a list of all the laws they believe GeoHot broke: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110112115731533. Also, if any of them are apprehended for this, they will most likely be tried in the US or EU, so SA law won't apply to them. Therefore, looking at SA law here is a bit of a red herring.

I do find what Sony did despicable here, but legally it does seem that they are correct. Now let's see if the courts agree. GeoHot seems to have gotten a decent defence team.
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Still, my understanding is that Geohotz hasn't yet been determined to have broken the law
 
Moklet Kcuf said:
.......... Why should one be locked for a monopolistic business model and others not? Why should a company have a right to control how hardware be used, when it's no longer owned by them?

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Sony Monopolistic? What do we know!
Sure the piece of junk you bought are "yours", I call it junk as without SONY support and added services that is what it will be, without SONY updates you will not be able to play future more advanced games, but the propriety design and copyrights belong to Sony. Therefore Sony brought out new firmware that make the unit useless unless you update the firmware. Thats in their right. As for assisting and helping criminals by supplying them the tools and intellectual property that was stolen from SONY are another story altogether.

All hackers creating harm to others and viruswriters are the neo scum of the earth and may they ,including their supporters, all die a terrible death.
 
Moklet Kcuf said:
Still, my understanding is that Geohotz hasn't yet been determined to have broken the law
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Of course not, the case haven't even started yet. Right now they are fighting about venue. However, the original question was about which laws he has broken, and this is an attempt to at least answer part of it by showing which laws SCEA claims he has broken. Whether he has or not is an entirely different debate, that can only be answered after the case and its appeals.
 
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