Another Farm attack

be.plato said:
Well said. When you have a white on black murder it makes national news for a month.
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and when you have a black on white murder it is on this forum for weeks until a user finds another one to roll his eyes to and we have to hand out tinfoil hats like there is a discount at Checkers again.

we can't have a real discussion about this until we get past this genocide nonsense or until people stop trying to paint the ANC as murderous savages
 
STS said:
and when you have a black on white murder it is on this forum for weeks until a user finds another one to roll his eyes to and we have to hand out tinfoil hats like there is a discount at Checkers again.

we can't have a real discussion about this until we get past this genocide nonsense or until people stop trying to paint the ANC as complete imbeciles
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STS said:
and when you have a black on white murder it is on this forum for weeks until a user finds another one to roll his eyes to and we have to hand out tinfoil hats like there is a discount at Checkers again.

we can't have a real discussion about this until we get past this genocide nonsense or until people stop trying to paint the ANC as murderous savages
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Why does it all need to be some sort of secret, orchestrated move on their part? Doing nothing and saying nothing seems to be working quite well. Sure, that goes for crime in general but could it not be seen as a form of quiet consent?

Plenty of hatred going round already...abundant supply they don't even need to feed.
 
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Flanders said:
Why does it all need to be some sort of secret, orchestrated move on their part? Doing nothing and saying nothing seems to be working quite well. Sure, that goes for crime in general but could it not be seen as a form of quiet consent?

Plenty of hatred going round already...abundant supply they don't even need to feed.
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So the government/ANC hates all non high profile persons in this country then? When there's a murder in the townships the police only help remove the body and that's where most of them end, they do not investigate unless it gets high profile media attention. At least, with farm murders the cops deign to mount an investigation and in many cases the suspects are caught.

The rest of the population doesn't get that from the police. I should know, personally.
 
kingrob said:
So very true.

I see STS is trying hard to persuade us that we are paranoid.

Exactly what they want.
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Tell you what. Give me proof. Real proof. Not things happening in the media, not what crime scenes look like, no ratios or stats, give me proof that somebody, anybody, in the ANC is signing doccies to authorise murders, than anyone has sent an email statign that they can't wait for all the farmers to die, that they dress up in dark garments and attend meetings every Tuesday, that they're handing out propaganda pamphlets detailing how to kill white farmers, anything.

There is a difference between being cautious and being ridiculous. Right now you might as well try convincing me of lizard men, aliens or ghosts. Just because you're bored with life or have a culture that is all "ZOMG, white people and black people cannot live side by side", doesn't mean that reality is going to bend time and space for you.

So give me that evidence. Please bear in mind that there is actually as of yet no proof of actual lizardmen, real videos of ghosts or any alien bodies lying in museums somewhere, so I will be VERY impressed if you can get me a crazy AND sinister ANC member
 
STS said:
Evidence please
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Still waiting.

I mean you guys are happy to chip in and put your comments down but im still waiting for that evidence and i'm not going to drop this, because next week or the week after that i'll probably see another post titled "Farm murder" and we have to go through all of this again. It's so obvious to some of you, there must be clear as day evidence of it then
 
I will leave this thread now, but will leave this here :

If groups of white youths were going around in SA, murdering old black couples in the most horrific ways on their farms, or anywhere in SA.....

Would there still be peace in South Africa right now?
 
kingrob said:
I will leave this thread now, but will leave this here :

If groups of white youths were going around in SA, murdering old black couples in the most horrific ways on their farms, or anywhere in SA.....

Would there still be peace in South Africa right now?
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You're obviously a believer. Believers do not deal in logic.
 
STS said:
Still waiting.

I mean you guys are happy to chip in and put your comments down but im still waiting for that evidence and i'm not going to drop this, because next week or the week after that i'll probably see another post titled "Farm murder" and we have to go through all of this again. It's so obvious to some of you, there must be clear as day evidence of it then
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"You guys"? I assume I'm included in that group?

Like I said, the way I see it there is no physical evidence per se because it is the ANC's inaction and deafening silence that is the key here as opposed to what you were suggesting where we have some form of clandestine operation going down with signed orders sent by some mysterious group to some other mysterious group to go out and kill farmer x on date y. Why would they need to, or for that matter, even risk taking this approach? Why produce physical evidence when all you have to do is stir up the constant self-justified hatred based on past actions of the other group?

We have an abundance of killers in this country as well as an abundance of hatred -- therein lies the recipe. If you're looking for concrete evidence, I think the closest you'll find is the ANC's constant, unwavering racial stirring at every opportunity they get. As for the silence on black on black crime/murder? Collateral damage. Life is cheap and these things are bound to happen. The ANC can't be seen by the rest of the world to condemn crime commited against one group and remain silent on crimes commited against the other as this would raise questions. Rather simply say nothing about anything except for maybe once a year when they pat themselves on the back about the BS crime statistics and how the fight for a crime-free society continues.

The ANC cares not one jot about anyone in this country -- but that sentiment , I believe, is especially strong when it comes to that favourite old enemy, the white settler farmer.


R13... said:
You're obviously a believer. Believers do not deal in logic.
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Why don't you just answer the question instead of laughing it off with the good ol' ooh-look,-a-tinfoil-hatter approach? Is it such a ridiculous question?

Edit: Oh, by the way, I'm not suggesting that the farm murders are first priority in some sort of master plan either. It's just convenient. Does that make it any less of a crime against the people?
 
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Flanders, it was the wise crack "STS is trying very hard to convince us that we're all paranoid. that comment holds the exact same weight as someone being told that there are no such thing as ghosts, and they reply "STS is trying very hard to convince us that we're all silly."

first of all, i'm not trying hard at all, but comments from some users, like kingrob, don't try at all. he rushes in, tinfoil hat on, screams that the apocalypse is coming and then provides zero proof.

i fulyl agree that the ANC is inactive and apathetic, useless and pathetic too. but being a complete twat doesn't mean that they're advocating or even organising murders, and this is taking the real problem away and replacing it with a stupid racist theory.

everyone in this country is suffering, the ANC does nothing about it ANYWHERE, yet most of the complainees only care about the white farmers and now see stupid **** that isn't there.

i can't understand how people can criticise the ANC and their deluded comments and then come here and make equally deluded comments and not see the irony
 
kingrob said:
I will leave this thread now, but will leave this here :

If groups of white youths were going around in SA, murdering old black couples in the most horrific ways on their farms, or anywhere in SA.....

Would there still be peace in South Africa right now?
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obviously no from your comment, because you're suggesting all black people are one hive mind and they all want the same thing. you know why there is apathy from the white community about white farm murders? because they eventually wake up and realise and see that we're ALL victims
 
The ANC led South African government will regret the current practice of not protecting farmers. Food security is extremely important but the elite don't really care because they probably have vast tracks of farm land. People like Ramaphosa, Zuma, Sexwale, Ndebele, Malema, etc, own farms and will not be affected if food security in this country because a bit issue. They will not be affected if food prices start rising so high that the poor can't eat anymore. Farmers must be protected, they are more important than politicians. We can live without Zuma and his controversies but can't live without farmers and their food.
 
The fact remains that the farm murders in SA has been 97/10 000 far above the mean national average.
 
Nicodeamus said:
The fact remains that the farm murders in SA has been 97/10 000 far above the mean national average.
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Can someone post the deaths per 100K for all groups of people in SA then? Saying that about farmers makes little sense. Mind you if you want to group farmers together it means you can't group people by race, you should do it by profession business, etc making it one solid bowl of crap meaning ****!
 
marine1 said:
Exactly. ;)
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That actually makes perfect sense to you? The human mind is an amazing piece of work I tell you, by rights you should be incapable of functioning in a normal society with a mind (or is it beliefs) like that.
 
R13... said:
That actually makes perfect sense to you? The human mind is an amazing piece of work I tell you, by rights you should be incapable of functioning in a normal society with a mind (or is it beliefs) like that.
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The human mind is indeed an amazing thing, and you prove that point, not a compliment ;)
 
marine1 said:
The human mind is indeed an amazing thing, and you prove that point, not a compliment ;)
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Really? You think yourself a perfectly logical being capable of rational thought (where such things are concerned)? Why do you think me illogical or irrational?
 
kingrob said:
I will leave this thread now, but will leave this here :

If groups of white youths were going around in SA, murdering old black couples in the most horrific ways on their farms, or anywhere in SA.....

Would there still be peace in South Africa right now?
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The obvious difference being that there isn't a group of black youth wandering our farmlands murdering white farmers for ****s and giggles. They are criminals.
After the documentary was screened, the panel gave their initial views of the film and their thoughts on the topic. Dr Johan Burger noted that it was important for the public to understand that most farm murders were criminal acts committed with a material motive behind them. In this case farmers were likely to be robbed and subsequently murdered by their farm workers or ex-farm workers. Burger dismissed notions that there was a systematic (genocidal) attempt to exterminate white farmers. He had personally investigated many cases while he headed the SAPS task team on rural security and found no evidence that there was anything other than criminality involved. He also highlighted that the focus on the commercial farmers detracted attention from the many farm workers and other people who are murdered and injured during these attacks. Burger argued that the decision by former President Thabo Mbeki to disband the commando system without consultation or proper planning undermined the security of commercial farmers and contributed to the problem. The police were ill equipped to deal with the security challenge in these locations and farmers presented a vulnerable target to criminals with links to the rural areas. He further noted that the police still had to fully implement the rural safety plan and farmers had to rely on themselves to secure their property, families and workers.
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