Another person claiming perpetual motion

Ignoring the laws of Nature won't work.

It'll work when your house's next to a waterfall tho...

It's good and well to generate electricity when the water flows down, but it'll take more energy than that generated to put the water back into the reservoir.

* The perpetual motion generator is no myth. It works. It's currently in the workshop undergoing a few minor changes.
* The machine will be available early in May this year, and orders will be taken then.
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Hmmm.... not too long to wait. Now I am curious as to what "few minor changes" these are....
 
Scooby_Doo said:
Its impossible to get more energy out than you put into something. So yeah not gonna work or it will rewrite the physics books,
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I can increase Volts by using Electirc coils. aka Getting out more than I put in :confused: perpetual motion means a constant flow of uninterupted energy.
Nothing about putting out more than u put in. Perpetual motion has been proven back in the 60's already. Does anyone of you have that little Pendulem balls on your desk ?

8 balls haniging on lines. U take one of the balls on the side and drop it. Those balls keep going at it till you stop it. aka Perpetual motion
 
A few questions :

1. How much water is used to turn the turbine? (capacity of the reservoir).

2. How high is the reservoir located? (distance the water must be pumped back).

3. At what rate flows the water down through the turbine?

Now, according to 2 and 3, a pump must be used to return the water to the reservoir at the same rate it comes down, right? (Too big a pump, and it wastes energy, too little a pump, and the system will stop after a while due to the impetus of the water slowing down, generating less and less electricity, until there's not enough to turn the pump, and it stops).

@ Pitbull - these pendulum balls stop after a time - so it's not true perpetual motion. And why do they stop?
 
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trollwhore said:
A few questions :

1. How much water is used to turn the turbine?

2. How high is the reservoir located? (distance the water must be pumped back).

3. At what rate flows the water down through the turbine?

Now, according to 2 and 3, a pump must be used to return the water to the reservoir at the same rate it comes down, right?

@ Pitbull - these pendulum balls stop after a time - so it's not true perpetual motion. And why do they stop?
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Nope, those balls don't stop, I had mine running thru the night once. It would prob. stop after a while no idea how long though :D But that I would accredit to air friction and nothing less.

Now for you to drive water up a hill or an incline would take a huge amount of force. Why not just drive in in a Horisontal circle (This would use a hell of alot less energy ;)
 
Pitbull said:
I can increase Volts by using Electirc coils. aka Getting out more than I put in :confused: perpetual motion means a constant flow of uninterupted energy.
Nothing about putting out more than u put in. Perpetual motion has been proven back in the 60's already. Does anyone of you have that little Pendulem balls on your desk ?

8 balls haniging on lines. U take one of the balls on the side and drop it. Those balls keep going at it till you stop it. aka Perpetual motion
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You are getting 5kw for nothing ie more than what you put in so yeah perpetual motion machines are all about getting more than you put in = impossible.

Pitbull said:
Nope, those balls don't stop, I had mine running thru the night once. It would prob. stop after a while no idea how long though :D But that I would accredit to air friction and nothing less.

Now for you to drive water up a hill or an incline would take a huge amount of force. Why not just drive in in a Horisontal circle (This would use a hell of alot less energy ;)
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Yip energy dissipates and they will stop unless they in space and even then they might stop. but this guy wants more, something that will never stop AND take power out of the system, and he is saying it won't stop working? not likely.

P.S so this generator needs to operate at greater than 100% efficiency to be able to produce more energy than the system uses. Show me a generator with 100% efficency. Then one with 110%.
 
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due to loss of energy, through friction and sound etc :P Grade11 science.
 
@ Pitbull - :D

Ok, if you're so sure about this, will you be the first to buy such a perpetual-motion generator, and let us know if it works or not? :)

And I won't be held responsible if it does not work, or fails to meet your expectations ;) :)
 
Scooby_Doo said:
You are getting 5kw for nothing ie more than what you put in so yeah perpetual motion machines are all about getting more than you put in = impossible.
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Ok lets take away the word "perpetual motion" as this can never ever be done. However one can generate a forced motion which can sustain itself for a good few hours if not days. Does anyone agree to that ?

I think something like this is possible, but will need induced force at some stages during it's cycle to keep it running. Even if that machine would only run and generate power for 8 hours per forced energy applied. I would not call it "perpetual motion" as I agree that can not be done. But it is possible to have something generate power while inducing it's own enegy for a set period of time.

Look at Batteries for argument sake (Recharge batteries to be exact)
 
Pitbull said:
Ok lets take away the word "perpetual motion" as this can never ever be done. However one can generate a forced motion which can sustain itself for a good few hours if not days. Does anyone agree to that ?

I think something like this is possible, but will need induced force at some stages during it's cycle to keep it running. Even if that machine would only run and generate power for 8 hours per forced energy applied. I would not call it "perpetual motion" as I agree that can not be done. But it is possible to have something generate power while inducing it's own enegy for a set period of time.

Look at Batteries for argument sake (Recharge batteries to be exact)
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And who or what are you going to get to start this? use electricity? a gym bike? your hands? You will use more energy starting it than what you get out. Simple
 
Pitbull said:
Ok lets take away the word "perpetual motion" as this can never ever be done. However one can generate a forced motion which can sustain itself for a good few hours if not days. Does anyone agree to that ?

I think something like this is possible, but will need induced force at some stages during it's cycle to keep it running. Even if that machine would only run and generate power for 8 hours per forced energy applied. I would not call it "perpetual motion" as I agree that can not be done. But it is possible to have something generate power while inducing it's own enegy for a set period of time.

Look at Batteries for argument sake (Recharge batteries to be exact)
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Lol, i didnt even bother with reading the article.....

8 balls haniging on lines. U take one of the balls on the side and drop it. Those balls keep going at it till you stop it. aka Perpetual motion
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Those balls ar not doing any work outside of the system(lmfao that sounds sooooo gay) thus its a closed system.....generating energy to do work that influences(sp?) anything outside the system will screw with the whole "perpetual motion" idea :)
 
The pendulum balls lose some energy through friction first of all. There are some that can go on for very long.

What perpetual motion is suggesting is that the balls on the pendulum will go higher after each time the one ball comes back and strikes the rest.

See the problem.

I love how the author ends the article :)
 
Scooby_Doo said:
And who or what are you going to get to start this? use electricity? a gym bike? your hands? You will use more energy starting it than what you get out. Simple
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The thicker the liquid used the lesser force is needed. Think about it. Water in a can is usless. Put a small fire cracker in it and the water becomes a huge force. Oil is thicker (More dence) than water. Forced air to get the cycle started should do the trick. This in turn could turn a turbine that will generate force on the oil and Power at the same time. I have no idea how long it will run itself at what size. But I do think it's possible. Not a constant self sustaining energy, but would sustain it self for a good period of time.
 
Never say impossible :D Implausible certainly and highly improbable maybe but never impossible :)

The water flows through the turbine in a 60 mm pipe and produces so much power that all the water is pumped back into the reservoir, and enough power is left over to generate about 5 kW of electrical power. Amazing.
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Bollocks.
 
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