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savage
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They more than likely received a sub license from Sentech to operate (yes, they can do that). We are currently going through the same thing in conjunction with another consultancy firm to acuire both sublicenses for bi-directional satelite feeds, 2.4 / 2.5GHz Wireless, as well as Ethernet over Power. The key is obviously, you have to know the right people, and you have to approach the whole thing in the right manners.
Don't ask questions, I can't give awnsers - except for that there is allot going on "behind the scenes" from both MegaLAN and ALLOT of other players (Sentech, Telkom, ICASA, Government, etc) that is not really public knowledge...
Don't ask questions, I can't give awnsers - except for that there is allot going on "behind the scenes" from both MegaLAN and ALLOT of other players (Sentech, Telkom, ICASA, Government, etc) that is not really public knowledge...
oblix
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You will not be able to transmit data from a normal dish, unless technology has changed, you would need a minimum of a 2.1M dish to transmit and a special LMB, and not to mention that it would be illegal according to ICASA. Also the latency of satelite is very high, is it worth the while to look at it ?.
I have recently contacted SENTEC and asked for a quote. They started to send me a URS to complete, and even after the completion of the doc i still have not recieved my quote.
I forgot that SECTEC is partly goverment owned, and therefore have to wait for someone to wake up and rely to the quote.
Dear Father Christmas. I have never asked for anything, I am not greedy, but can i please get a Telecomuunications company in the country that knows what they are doing, and wont screw theircustomers.
Thank you. Awaiting your reply.
I have recently contacted SENTEC and asked for a quote. They started to send me a URS to complete, and even after the completion of the doc i still have not recieved my quote.
I forgot that SECTEC is partly goverment owned, and therefore have to wait for someone to wake up and rely to the quote.
Dear Father Christmas. I have never asked for anything, I am not greedy, but can i please get a Telecomuunications company in the country that knows what they are doing, and wont screw theircustomers.
Thank you. Awaiting your reply.
bacchus
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by oblix</i>
<br /> minimum of a 2.1M dish to transmit and a special LMB, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Actually it is a 1,2 m dish, like the one I have from Sentech.
<br /> minimum of a 2.1M dish to transmit and a special LMB, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Actually it is a 1,2 m dish, like the one I have from Sentech.
loosecannon
Senior Member
it all depends on the power/band KU band is more leaniant but more problimatic the best option is C band but very expensive ...
a good idea is bachaul BW via satalite as per sentech from BT ... recive only ...
a good idea is bachaul BW via satalite as per sentech from BT ... recive only ...
How WISP's are exploiting Legal loophole in ACT 1996
Essay below submitted to:
http://secure.financialmail.co.za/04/0917/technology/ctech.htm
AEROSAT
Advocate Pillay is the advocate for a WISP that had their equipment recently
confiscated by Icasa. The advocate represented the Wisp in their counter suit
against Icasa to get their equipment back. They won their case and presented Icasa
with a legal bill of R150 000.
There is no criminal investigation of this Wisp, the police has ignored Icasa on the issue of Wi-fi and Fiber Optics crossing the road.
Only the provider of a Telecoms service can have charges laid against them by Icasa, not the end users. The end user is under no obligation to assess Icasa's interpretation of Telecoms Act 1996.
There has been no rulings by a Judge, no criminal cases prosecuted by the police concerning wi-fi and laying Fiber Optics across the road, so we have no idea what Telecoms Act 1996 says concerning it, only views.
Megawan , Uninetwork also instituted legal action against Icasa, and won their cases. Www.uninetwork.co.za equipment was ceased by Icasa in July 2003.. Icasa lost their cases against the WISP's because Telecoms Act 1996 has more holes in it then a swiss cheese.
FACT: EVERY SINGLE LEGAL ENCOUTER ICASA HAS HAD WITH A
COMMERCIAL WISP, IT HAS LOST. In many instances the relevant WISP
had counter sued Icasa obtaining an injunction against Icasa from ever
confiscating their equipment again.
England's Midas Telecoms is a new entrant providing Wi-fi Internet with www.locustworld.com meshboxes, they have consulted specialists lawyers on our Telecoms law and are confident that their multi million rand investment are safe
from Icasa's meddling.
Megawan has argued in the past that South – Africa is a signatory to an international treaty to keep the 2.4ghz band license free and therefore they can send data where they want in this band.
Icasa obviously differs in their view, since no Judge has made a ruling concerning this as Act 1996 stands, providing the commercial Wisp's with free reign in their deployment of Access Points.
Icasa recently legalized AP for home use. Their interpretation of
Act 1996 is that the data can't jump the street, but Telecoms legal specialist Advocate R. Pillay's interpretation differs, since no judge has ruled on this in a criminal case, we simply don't know who is right. Icasa argues that Wi-fi be only allowed to cover a 'short distance'. A definition the lawyers are having a field day with when they sue Icasa to get their clients equipment back in court.
The fact that the police are not investigating Wi-Fi as a criminal issue - leaving Icasa powerless to act, a situation the commercial Wisp's who had access to expert legal council exploited. It is incredible that Icasa has through sheer bluff been able to retard the growth of Wi-fi, ironically eliminating would be competitors to our established Wisp's namely www.wo.co.za, www.gin.co.za,
www.wavestream.co.za, www.aerosat.co.za and www.nettek.co.za
Wavestream are openly defying Icasa's 100mw rule with their high site transmitting signals over a long distance. They obtained an injunction against Icasa from confiscating their high site towers, using lawyers. specializing in our Telecoms law.
Local council have argued that the streets belong to them so they can send data where they want. The bottom line is that the SAPS are not going to get involved in investigating people laying Fiber Optics or sending data with parabolic antenna's, because the equipment is not illegal..
The police only gets involved if illegal frequency's ( like 101Mhz) or equipment is used. Fiber optic cables, Access Points, and parabolic antenna's are not illegal equipment. And it is on this critical point that Icasa fails to convince the police to
conduct a criminal investigation.
(Icasa did not shut down Megawan, they bankrupted themselves through their billing policies.)
Go ahead and phone Andries Matthysen or Lee Ann Cassy at 011 321 8377 ,
Icasa's anti wi-fi crusaders and ask them just one question:
Who are the investigating officers on Aerosat, Uninetwork, Wavestream and www.wo.co.za?
ANSW: None!
Aerosat was responsive to the suggestion of partnering with an opensource commons with a need for bandwidth, the opensource mesh are not commercial competitors.
The opensource commons must partner with the commercial WISPS and let them take
full legal responsibility for the parabolic on our roofs. . They will take the rap,
never the end-user as I have explained. This is the legal loophole that Telecoms
Act of 1996 presents according to Telecoms specialist Advocate R. Pillay.
Entrepreneurial individuals could build their own commercial high site towers in partnership with WISP's that have obtained injunctions against Icasa, in economically active zones where our existing WISP's don't operate like Hazyview and Nelspruit.
Hazyview alone has three Internet cafe's that are forced to use dial-up connections.
In a tribal trust land area on the Numbi gate/Whiteriver road is mountain top which
has LOS to Hazyview and Nelspruit/Whiteriver. Use this mountain as a repeater site between Nelspruit and Hazyview and provide Internet bandwidth via Telkom Diginet lines in Nelspruit.
The ideal solution is to interconnect as many neighbors as possible with fiber optics
and provide bandwidth via Wi-Fi, Adsl and Diginet lines.
The legal arguments concerning wi-fi can be extended to laying
fiber across boundaries or the road. No judge has ruled on the issue, so Icasa's view
is just that: An opinion. Whatever the law says is academic, an opensource commons would just create their own fronting company to dig the trenches
or partner with a commercial WISP to take the legal blame.
Johannesburg CBD businesses could also lay their own fiber across roads from
building to building in partnership with local council for purpose of relaying CCTV street monitoring. Again fronting companies claiming to have permission to do this is the solution, you are under no obligation to determine such a company's claim. Anybody can obtain permission from local council to cut through a tar road. Local council is not under any obligation to know what on earth you want to bury under the road.
I don't care what Icasa interpretation of Act 1996 are, does anybody realistically expect the police to start digging up peoples gardens looking for fiber optic cables on the instructions of some bureaucratic tin pot “sprinkaan beampte” trying to save himself from irrelevance.?
THE POLICE INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996:
If no illegal equipment are used, we don't care what you do with it or how many
roads you criss-cross. (Parabolic grid antenna's, Fiber Optic cables, Access Points on the 2.4ghz and5.4ghz band are not illegal equipment and frequencies). We are not going to be commandeered by bureaucrats trying to entrench their posts. We resent the attempt at being used by fat cat companies to protect their commercial interests from fair competion. We are here to fight crime not to ensure that the CEO of Telkom gets his performance bonus.
ICASA'S INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996:
We expect the police to waste their time proving that the Legal Access point sent
data 30km across the street with a parabolic grid antenna.. . we are trying to protect our bureaucracy from becoming irrelevant, and ensuring job security for our enforcement division. Our entire existence is dependant upon on selling licenses and making rulings that people obey , if we are simply ignored we could loose our jobs.
HIGH COURT INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996 in cases involving civil suits against Icasa by
Megawan, www.uninetwork.co.za, www.aerosat.co.za , www.wavestream.co.za
The HIGH COURT has ruled against Icasa and for the applicants to get their confiscated equipment back. Icasa had to pay legal fees of R200 000 in each case.
SO ICASA CAN'T EVEN WIN A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE WISPS HOW WILL IT WIN A CRIMINAL CASE WHERE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS MUCH HIGHER? And only the police can criminally prosecute a WISP and since they seemingly never will.....
I will give Andries Matthysen's exact words to me on 18 Feb 2004 on the telephone:
“ONS VLERKIES IS GEKNIP WAT BETREF WIRELESS.....”
There are hundreds of laws the police simply ignores and will never enforce. South-Africans should not be so easily intimidated ! If Icasa could not convince the police to obey them prior to the essential complete liberalization of Telecoms in
Sept 2004, then how on earth would the police obey Icasa now?!
So the whole VANS license thing is irrelevant, anybody and everybody would be
able to provide a Telecoms service from Feb 2005, The police will ignore Icasa, like they have ignored Icasa when Megawan challenged Icasa's interpretation
of Act 1996.
An opensource wi-fi commons establishing their own nationwide supercharged
www.locustworld.com 4G network that will rival anything MTN could furnish,
can't financially afford to tangle with the legal might of Icasa. This problem is easily solved by either partnering with commercial WISP's or setting up their own fronting companies who will take the legal blame. 3G max bandwidth is only 300k.
A Locust-world 4G network provides 1meg. Such a 4G network will provide
cellphone like roaming capability.
When the benefits of a grassroots self built 4G network finally begins to dawn on
South Africans we could present a case to business to help in financing
such roll out, where every rooftop gets freely 'donated' to establishing South Africa as
a progressive cooperative society.
Wimax the new 802.16 Wi-Fi standard pioneered by Intel will be used to bridge wireless and Fiber Optic mesh networks at distances of up to 50km and provide the back-haul broadband connectivity. The ultimate goal is to provide voice, data and video anywhere at any time at cost effective rates, even for free. This will reduce crime to acceptable levels by monitoring our streets with CCTV camera's over the networks.
Network redundancy will be a prime consideration for business. Redundancy and
network uptime can be guaranteed for point-to-point communication by installing
multiple mesh networks on rooftops, should one link go down, then the next residence
will relay the signal.
The present telecoms regime from Telkom is a hidden tax which business passes on
to us the consumers. By donating some of your time, rooftops and resources you are
making your small contribution to fortifying South Africa's economy.
Icasa is not concerned with Telkom, Icasa is concerned with Icasa's eventual
demise and irrelevance if an opensource and business cooperative commons succeeds in setting up their own 4G mesh network that pays no licensing fees and asks nobody's permission to communicate with the world. Icasa is concerned with being dethroned as the self appointed gatekeepers of uncensored and free communication.
The community that built Linux did not know
that a side-effect of their 'free' efforts would be the creation of a resource that in the next 50 years will eliminate organized crime, car hijacking, murder and enable
governments to fairly tax and redistribute a country's resources. (If you have no idea what I am talking about ..... I will give you a clue: Aplitec, smart cards) By building our own 4G network we as South-Africans would be emulating the Linux community's spirit and have fun doing it!
Essay below submitted to:
http://secure.financialmail.co.za/04/0917/technology/ctech.htm
AEROSAT
Advocate Pillay is the advocate for a WISP that had their equipment recently
confiscated by Icasa. The advocate represented the Wisp in their counter suit
against Icasa to get their equipment back. They won their case and presented Icasa
with a legal bill of R150 000.
There is no criminal investigation of this Wisp, the police has ignored Icasa on the issue of Wi-fi and Fiber Optics crossing the road.
Only the provider of a Telecoms service can have charges laid against them by Icasa, not the end users. The end user is under no obligation to assess Icasa's interpretation of Telecoms Act 1996.
There has been no rulings by a Judge, no criminal cases prosecuted by the police concerning wi-fi and laying Fiber Optics across the road, so we have no idea what Telecoms Act 1996 says concerning it, only views.
Megawan , Uninetwork also instituted legal action against Icasa, and won their cases. Www.uninetwork.co.za equipment was ceased by Icasa in July 2003.. Icasa lost their cases against the WISP's because Telecoms Act 1996 has more holes in it then a swiss cheese.
FACT: EVERY SINGLE LEGAL ENCOUTER ICASA HAS HAD WITH A
COMMERCIAL WISP, IT HAS LOST. In many instances the relevant WISP
had counter sued Icasa obtaining an injunction against Icasa from ever
confiscating their equipment again.
England's Midas Telecoms is a new entrant providing Wi-fi Internet with www.locustworld.com meshboxes, they have consulted specialists lawyers on our Telecoms law and are confident that their multi million rand investment are safe
from Icasa's meddling.
Megawan has argued in the past that South – Africa is a signatory to an international treaty to keep the 2.4ghz band license free and therefore they can send data where they want in this band.
Icasa obviously differs in their view, since no Judge has made a ruling concerning this as Act 1996 stands, providing the commercial Wisp's with free reign in their deployment of Access Points.
Icasa recently legalized AP for home use. Their interpretation of
Act 1996 is that the data can't jump the street, but Telecoms legal specialist Advocate R. Pillay's interpretation differs, since no judge has ruled on this in a criminal case, we simply don't know who is right. Icasa argues that Wi-fi be only allowed to cover a 'short distance'. A definition the lawyers are having a field day with when they sue Icasa to get their clients equipment back in court.
The fact that the police are not investigating Wi-Fi as a criminal issue - leaving Icasa powerless to act, a situation the commercial Wisp's who had access to expert legal council exploited. It is incredible that Icasa has through sheer bluff been able to retard the growth of Wi-fi, ironically eliminating would be competitors to our established Wisp's namely www.wo.co.za, www.gin.co.za,
www.wavestream.co.za, www.aerosat.co.za and www.nettek.co.za
Wavestream are openly defying Icasa's 100mw rule with their high site transmitting signals over a long distance. They obtained an injunction against Icasa from confiscating their high site towers, using lawyers. specializing in our Telecoms law.
Local council have argued that the streets belong to them so they can send data where they want. The bottom line is that the SAPS are not going to get involved in investigating people laying Fiber Optics or sending data with parabolic antenna's, because the equipment is not illegal..
The police only gets involved if illegal frequency's ( like 101Mhz) or equipment is used. Fiber optic cables, Access Points, and parabolic antenna's are not illegal equipment. And it is on this critical point that Icasa fails to convince the police to
conduct a criminal investigation.
(Icasa did not shut down Megawan, they bankrupted themselves through their billing policies.)
Go ahead and phone Andries Matthysen or Lee Ann Cassy at 011 321 8377 ,
Icasa's anti wi-fi crusaders and ask them just one question:
Who are the investigating officers on Aerosat, Uninetwork, Wavestream and www.wo.co.za?
ANSW: None!
Aerosat was responsive to the suggestion of partnering with an opensource commons with a need for bandwidth, the opensource mesh are not commercial competitors.
The opensource commons must partner with the commercial WISPS and let them take
full legal responsibility for the parabolic on our roofs. . They will take the rap,
never the end-user as I have explained. This is the legal loophole that Telecoms
Act of 1996 presents according to Telecoms specialist Advocate R. Pillay.
Entrepreneurial individuals could build their own commercial high site towers in partnership with WISP's that have obtained injunctions against Icasa, in economically active zones where our existing WISP's don't operate like Hazyview and Nelspruit.
Hazyview alone has three Internet cafe's that are forced to use dial-up connections.
In a tribal trust land area on the Numbi gate/Whiteriver road is mountain top which
has LOS to Hazyview and Nelspruit/Whiteriver. Use this mountain as a repeater site between Nelspruit and Hazyview and provide Internet bandwidth via Telkom Diginet lines in Nelspruit.
The ideal solution is to interconnect as many neighbors as possible with fiber optics
and provide bandwidth via Wi-Fi, Adsl and Diginet lines.
The legal arguments concerning wi-fi can be extended to laying
fiber across boundaries or the road. No judge has ruled on the issue, so Icasa's view
is just that: An opinion. Whatever the law says is academic, an opensource commons would just create their own fronting company to dig the trenches
or partner with a commercial WISP to take the legal blame.
Johannesburg CBD businesses could also lay their own fiber across roads from
building to building in partnership with local council for purpose of relaying CCTV street monitoring. Again fronting companies claiming to have permission to do this is the solution, you are under no obligation to determine such a company's claim. Anybody can obtain permission from local council to cut through a tar road. Local council is not under any obligation to know what on earth you want to bury under the road.
I don't care what Icasa interpretation of Act 1996 are, does anybody realistically expect the police to start digging up peoples gardens looking for fiber optic cables on the instructions of some bureaucratic tin pot “sprinkaan beampte” trying to save himself from irrelevance.?
THE POLICE INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996:
If no illegal equipment are used, we don't care what you do with it or how many
roads you criss-cross. (Parabolic grid antenna's, Fiber Optic cables, Access Points on the 2.4ghz and5.4ghz band are not illegal equipment and frequencies). We are not going to be commandeered by bureaucrats trying to entrench their posts. We resent the attempt at being used by fat cat companies to protect their commercial interests from fair competion. We are here to fight crime not to ensure that the CEO of Telkom gets his performance bonus.
ICASA'S INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996:
We expect the police to waste their time proving that the Legal Access point sent
data 30km across the street with a parabolic grid antenna.. . we are trying to protect our bureaucracy from becoming irrelevant, and ensuring job security for our enforcement division. Our entire existence is dependant upon on selling licenses and making rulings that people obey , if we are simply ignored we could loose our jobs.
HIGH COURT INTERPRETATION OF TELECOMS ACT 1996 in cases involving civil suits against Icasa by
Megawan, www.uninetwork.co.za, www.aerosat.co.za , www.wavestream.co.za
The HIGH COURT has ruled against Icasa and for the applicants to get their confiscated equipment back. Icasa had to pay legal fees of R200 000 in each case.
SO ICASA CAN'T EVEN WIN A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE WISPS HOW WILL IT WIN A CRIMINAL CASE WHERE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS MUCH HIGHER? And only the police can criminally prosecute a WISP and since they seemingly never will.....
I will give Andries Matthysen's exact words to me on 18 Feb 2004 on the telephone:
“ONS VLERKIES IS GEKNIP WAT BETREF WIRELESS.....”
There are hundreds of laws the police simply ignores and will never enforce. South-Africans should not be so easily intimidated ! If Icasa could not convince the police to obey them prior to the essential complete liberalization of Telecoms in
Sept 2004, then how on earth would the police obey Icasa now?!
So the whole VANS license thing is irrelevant, anybody and everybody would be
able to provide a Telecoms service from Feb 2005, The police will ignore Icasa, like they have ignored Icasa when Megawan challenged Icasa's interpretation
of Act 1996.
An opensource wi-fi commons establishing their own nationwide supercharged
www.locustworld.com 4G network that will rival anything MTN could furnish,
can't financially afford to tangle with the legal might of Icasa. This problem is easily solved by either partnering with commercial WISP's or setting up their own fronting companies who will take the legal blame. 3G max bandwidth is only 300k.
A Locust-world 4G network provides 1meg. Such a 4G network will provide
cellphone like roaming capability.
When the benefits of a grassroots self built 4G network finally begins to dawn on
South Africans we could present a case to business to help in financing
such roll out, where every rooftop gets freely 'donated' to establishing South Africa as
a progressive cooperative society.
Wimax the new 802.16 Wi-Fi standard pioneered by Intel will be used to bridge wireless and Fiber Optic mesh networks at distances of up to 50km and provide the back-haul broadband connectivity. The ultimate goal is to provide voice, data and video anywhere at any time at cost effective rates, even for free. This will reduce crime to acceptable levels by monitoring our streets with CCTV camera's over the networks.
Network redundancy will be a prime consideration for business. Redundancy and
network uptime can be guaranteed for point-to-point communication by installing
multiple mesh networks on rooftops, should one link go down, then the next residence
will relay the signal.
The present telecoms regime from Telkom is a hidden tax which business passes on
to us the consumers. By donating some of your time, rooftops and resources you are
making your small contribution to fortifying South Africa's economy.
Icasa is not concerned with Telkom, Icasa is concerned with Icasa's eventual
demise and irrelevance if an opensource and business cooperative commons succeeds in setting up their own 4G mesh network that pays no licensing fees and asks nobody's permission to communicate with the world. Icasa is concerned with being dethroned as the self appointed gatekeepers of uncensored and free communication.
The community that built Linux did not know
that a side-effect of their 'free' efforts would be the creation of a resource that in the next 50 years will eliminate organized crime, car hijacking, murder and enable
governments to fairly tax and redistribute a country's resources. (If you have no idea what I am talking about ..... I will give you a clue: Aplitec, smart cards) By building our own 4G network we as South-Africans would be emulating the Linux community's spirit and have fun doing it!
regardtv
Expert Member
The 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz bands are international science research bands and as such cannot be licenced by anyone for any purpose.
They are "public usage" bands...
The only restriction that can be applied is that the strength of the transmitted has to be below 100mW (if I recall).
They are "public usage" bands...
The only restriction that can be applied is that the strength of the transmitted has to be below 100mW (if I recall).
freeek
Expert Member
or equal to 100mW
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