Anyone lived in Canada before?

[cguy]

On topic, after many years in the US, I now know a bunch of Canadians. They're all mostly happy with how their country is run - the one complaint that I've heard a lot (some selection bias, since roughly about half of my sample are people who have moved out of Canada), is that although the average standard of living is high, it is really hard to excel there. Tech, finance, biotech, engineering, etc. are mostly concentrated in the US and pockets of Europe.

 

[RogueTr00per]

Anyone know of or have a check list of how to get in via their provincial nomination programs and what pre-requisites / hoops have to be jumped over?

 

[Stefanmuller]

Anyone know of or have a check list of how to get in via their provincial nomination programs and what pre-requisites / hoops have to be jumped over?

Check out the SACanada forum. Each province has their own programme requirements which you can read up on on the province immigration page.

Some of the provincial programmes also run via the Express Entry system whereby you will be eligible for it if you nominate that province as your preferred one on your EE. Nova Scotia's programme for example only opens up two or three times per year and they will announce the opening a week or two before. You can apply directly or apply via EE and hope you are in the pool when that programme opens. Their programme has preference for accountants for example.

 

[poffle]

i love the whole argument against the nanny state thing. Go live in one and see how worse off your life is... i'll give you a clue, it isn't.

 

[Archer]

i love the whole argument against the nanny state thing. Go live in one and see how worse off your life is... i'll give you a clue, it isn't.

What's that saying about freedom and liberty again? There are many sides to it, nothing is ever clear cut

 

[poffle]

What's that saying about freedom and liberty again? There are many sides to it, nothing is ever clear cut

Dont get my wrong, i used to be very against this "nanny state" and i agree, definitely not clear cut, what one perceives to be good the other feels is oppressive.

But I've been thinking all day what this "nanny state oppression" has changed in my life with all its rules and fines...

1. I don't drink n drive anymore
2. I don't pick gum off my shoe anymore
3. I have not been harassed and i am not scared to talk to police anymore
4. I don't kick cans along the road anymore

 

[Dave]

But I've been thinking all day what this "nanny state oppression" has changed in my life with all its rules and fines...

1. I don't drink n drive anymore
2. I don't pick gum off my shoe anymore
3. I have not been harassed and i am not scared to talk to police anymore
4. I don't kick cans along the road anymore

That really sounds like you’re living under terrible oppression! No freedom to drink and drive?

 

[Nerfherder]

i love the whole argument against the nanny state thing. Go live in one and see how worse off your life is... i'll give you a clue, it isn't.

Don't get me wrong... I'd live in one and be perfectly happy with the boredom especially if the alternative is a warzone.

I'm just saying its not as nice as you think it would be. There is probably something better between chaotic bannana republic and 1984 style nanny state.
In a weird way I think SA could be a better place once all the sheeite is sorted out, I think Canada is a better place to live (in many ways) but may not be heading in the right direction.

It seems illogical to argue like that but I had a similar type argument with a Zimbabwean once who rated Zim's chances were better than SA. SA has many problems and Zimbabwe only has one (big one).
I had a tough time arguing with his logic but it shows you how there is a different perspective once you are in another place.

I thought CT was idyllic, till I moved here. Now I have worked to build a great life here but I know its going to be hard to have the same life somewhere else.
SA is not perfect but what I have is pretty good.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

i love the whole argument against the nanny state thing. Go live in one and see how worse off your life is... i'll give you a clue, it isn't.

Yeah, for some reason people who rant about 'nanny states' always give the most bizarre examples or reasoning. Like one poster above saying Canadians aren't really capable of being creative because government determines how your life is going to be. I mean, really? That bears no semblance to reality.

 

[Nerfherder]

Yeah, for some reason people who rant about 'nanny states' always give the most bizarre examples or reasoning. Like one poster above saying Canadians aren't really capable of being creative because government determines how your life is going to be. I mean, really? That bears no semblance to reality.

Three really odd things that worried me:

1: They made it co-sleeping with your child in your bed illegal. Not because anyone ever killed their own child but because they thought it could be dangerous (There is evidence its actually the safest option)

2: The new laws that make using the incorrect pro noun a hate crime ie one other than the one they have chosen.

3: In some states they have stared to discourage children from having best friends because it encourages exclusionary play - which is bullying. Its become policy to separate kids who spend too much time with each other.

So... again. Its not really about the current nanny state but where they are heading. They seem to want to make it "more perfect".

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Three really odd things that worried me:

1: They made it co-sleeping with your child in your bed illegal. Not because anyone ever killed their own child but because they thought it could be dangerous (There is evidence its actually the safest option)

2: The new laws that make using the incorrect pro noun a hate crime ie one other than the one they have chosen.

3: In some states they have stared to discourage children from having best friends because it encourages exclusionary play - which is bullying. Its become policy to separate kids who spend too much time with each other.

So... again. Its not really about the current nanny state but where they are heading. They seem to want to make it "more perfect".

This is a good example of what I was talking about.

1. Who did? Source?

2. That isn't true.

3. Which states?

 

[Dave]

Three really odd things that worried me:

1: They made it co-sleeping with your child in your bed illegal. Not because anyone ever killed their own child but because they thought it could be dangerous (There is evidence its actually the safest option)

It would seem that’s not true, at least not in 2017. Do you have a link to show when it was made illegal?

Is co-sleeping illegal

It's not recommended but it certainly isn't illegal.

https://www.babycenter.ca/thread/3043942/is-co-sleeping-illegal-or-are-my-parents-just-thick-headed

Maybe you’ve got yourself confused between co-sleeping (the act of parent and child sleeping in the same bed) and co-sleepers (a half cot that clips onto a bed) which were banned in Canada after a baby died getting trapped between the co-sleeper and the bed...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canad...co-sleeper-cribs-after-child-s-death-1.885940

By the way do-sleeping is certainly not “the safest option”.

Last year, a major analysis of 1,500 infant deaths published in BMJ Open, a journal of the British Medical Association, found a five-fold increased risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome in infants who bed-share. This week, New Brunswick’s minister of social development required social workers to review safe sleeping practices with their clients in light of two infant deaths this April linked to co-sleeping. A child death review in Santa Clara, Calif., this week showed that 15 babies in the county died over the past five years when their parents rolled over on top of them — 27 babies younger than 12 months died during the same period because of unsafe sleeping arrangements.

http://nationalpost.com/health/doct...ing-to-take-risk-to-feel-close-to-their-child

2: The new laws that make using the incorrect pro noun a hate crime ie one other than the one they have chosen.

Only if you read the crackpot press, have you had a look at what at the actual law says? It’s pretty much in sync with most countries.

Isn’t gender identity and expression protected under the SA Constitution as well?

The summary of Bill C-16 is as follows:

The bill is intended to protect individuals from discrimination within the sphere of federal jurisdiction and from being the targets of hate propaganda,[4] as a consequence of their gender identity or their gender expression. The bill adds “gender identity or expression” to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the list of characteristics of identifiable groups protected from hate propaganda in the Criminal Code. It also adds that evidence that an offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on a person’s gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance for a court to consider when imposing a criminal sentence.[5]

Amendments to the Canadian Human Rights Act Edit

The law amends the Canadian Human Rights Act by adding "gender identity or expression" as a prohibited ground of discrimination.[6] That makes it illegal to deny services, employment, accommodation and similar benefits to individuals based on their gender identity or gender expression within a federal regulated industry. A person who denies benefits because of the gender identity or gender expression of another person could be liable to provide monetary reimbursement. This prohibition would only apply to matters within federal jurisdiction.

Amendments to the Criminal Code

The law amends the Criminal Code by adding "gender identity or expression" to the definition of "identifiable group" in section 318.[7][8] Section 318 makes it a criminal offence to advocate or promote genocide against members of an identifiable group, which now includes gender identity or gender expression. Since the definition of "identifiable group" is also used in s 319 of the Code, the amendment also makes it a criminal offence to incite or promote hatred because of gender identity or gender expression.[9]

The law also adds "gender identity or expression" to section 718.2 of the Criminal Code.[10] This section is part of the sentencing provisions and makes gender identity and gender expression an aggravating factor in sentencing, leading to increased sentences for individuals who commit crimes motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on gender identity or expression.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code

3: In some states they have stared to discourage children from having best friends because it encourages exclusionary play - which is bullying. Its become policy to separate kids who spend too much time with each other.

That sounds very much like one of those made up stories when newspapers are having a slow day, and I doubt it’s anything to do with their government. I can’t even be bothered to search for rebuttal, it just sounds made up or a solitary case somewhere that [-]you[/-] someone has blown into a countrywide criticism.

Or do you have a link to show it’s official government policy? It would be nice to see a link, then at least one of your assertions might actually be correct...

 

[crackersa]

One strange thing, the banks still issue tjek books, and people still actually use it. :erm:

Apparantly when renting, the landlords for some reason love to take your rent via a tjek. Why they don't just use EFT I have no idea.

USA as well. I forgot how to write a check. Had to do a couple practice runs.

 

[Craig_]

It would seem that’s not true, at least not in 2017. Do you have a link to show when it was made illegal?


https://www.babycenter.ca/thread/3043942/is-co-sleeping-illegal-or-are-my-parents-just-thick-headed

Maybe you’ve got yourself confused between co-sleeping (the act of parent and child sleeping in the same bed) and co-sleepers (a half cot that clips onto a bed) which were banned in Canada after a baby died getting trapped between the co-sleeper and the bed...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canad...co-sleeper-cribs-after-child-s-death-1.885940

By the way do-sleeping is certainly not “the safest option”.


http://nationalpost.com/health/doct...ing-to-take-risk-to-feel-close-to-their-child




Only if you read the crackpot press, have you had a look at what at the actual law says? It’s pretty much in sync with most countries.

Isn’t gender identity and expression protected under the SA Constitution as well?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code




That sounds very much like one of those made up stories when newspapers are having a slow day, and I doubt it’s anything to do with their government. I can’t even be bothered to search for rebuttal, it just sounds made up or a solitary case somewhere that [-]you[/-] someone has blown into a countrywide criticism.

Or do you have a link to show it’s official government policy? It would be nice to see a link, then at least one of your assertions might actually be correct...

this week showed that 15 babies in the county died over the past five years when their parents rolled over on top of them

This I could easily believe. My SO is a deep sleeper, when she sleeps, she sleeps, she doesn't just wake up for anything. Whereas I wake up when the dog farts outside my bedroom window. So I was always the sucker who the kids ended up sleeping by. I had my daughter sleeping on my chest for probably most of her first 2 months, and no matter how tired I was, I would move an inch when she slept on my chest. I would wake up

 

[Dave]

This is a good example of what I was talking about.

Looks like you were right, Nerfherder has been back and hasn’t backed up any of his bizarre stories with facts.

 

[ponder]

A lot different working/office dynamics where being a jack of all trades and do more than what is expected from you like we are used to in SA is a foreign concept in Canada. There you do exactly your job description and that is that. They focus on being specialists in their respective fields.

Like the US and it sucks. There was a documentary some time ago comparing NASA to the Russian equivalent, I would rather work in the russian environment than the narrowly compartmentalized us version.

 

[Zukat]

Yeah, for some reason people who rant about 'nanny states' always give the most bizarre examples or reasoning. Like one poster above saying Canadians aren't really capable of being creative because government determines how your life is going to be. I mean, really? That bears no semblance to reality.

Ok, its a known fact that people display higher ability to be creative and innovative when they are put in extreme situations, it can be seen through multiple example in our history and when government has you in a bubble wrap... well I hope you understand where Im taking it and you dont even need to visit Canada to see it.

 

[cguy]

Ok, its a known fact that people display higher ability to be creative and innovative when they are put in extreme situations, it can be seen through multiple example in our history and when government has you in a bubble wrap... well I hope you understand where Im taking it and you dont even need to visit Canada to see it.

It's why Africa is a shining beacon of innovation...