Apple iPad released - Whats your take?

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I think the expectations for this device before launch were so high there was no way they could have ticked off the list of things people wanted/expected from the iPad.

Last night we watched the Keynote and the wife and I saw a couple of the possibilities:
1. Reading eBooks to the kids + iTunes audio books.
2. Interactive magazines and newspaper.
3. We are big Scrabble bunch so multiplayer on a big screen is welcomed.
4. All the HD Pixer’s, Miley Cyrus, Jonas Bros + Wizards of Waverly Place… on our Apple TV can be transferred to the iPad when need be like when they have friends around.

It can somaar replace the aging MacBook since the Mac mini does the PC functions, I wonder how much SA is going to pay for the iPad, I skeem a lot.
 

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You're really complaining about a lot of very irrelevant stuff.
Irrelevant to you but disposing of all that trash is serious in the develped world.


Increasing carbon footprint? Creating pointless devices? You're the master of extraneous hardware. If you don't like it then don't buy - but I foresee a large market demand. You know what - I have no use for a Macbook, I can give 1000 reasons why it doesn't suit my requirements - but it's still a very sexy and well made piece of kit.

That is one reason to buy it - 'sexy' but it is hardly a sensible reason.

The iPad has a massive potential userbase - maybe it isn't you but do you think Steve Jobs cares?

Why do you think I care what Steve Jobs cares? Steve Jobs NO 1 Job is to make profit for Apple. They started by making decent computers. Now they're making gimmicks. If it sells, it's a profit to Apple. I don't own shares in Apple.

You are the type of person who will research into codec support, viewing angles and so forth - whereas what the average consumer cares about is slick, sexy interfaces, ease of use (and sorry I have to assert that you're wrong about OSX - it wouldn't work as a massmarket tablet).

Of course. When an average user buys a car, something most people don't consider a gimmick they want to know these things - fuel consumption, service plans, cost of service, reliability etc. Few people just buy a car because it looks 'pretty'. I mean I know some do, but most people - don't.

The person who buys an iPad will not buy a macbook - they may have another laptop but they won't use it for the same purposes.

$829. Almost the price of a Macbook but 1/10 of the function. Why shouldn't it have the function of a Macbook?

iPad is all about media consumption.

Exactly. It is a tailor made device to get people to spend money on something they don't need, for the purpose of making $$$ for Apple from secondary content sales. It should be given away for free with subscriptions to iTunes/etc. That I'd understand.

A normal notebook won't serve for ebook reading, episodic tv content, etc.

Which is why iTunes content doesn't play on Macs. (Sarcasm)
 

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What I find scary is the amount of apple fanbois breaking down steve and/or the ipad - it's shocking

I quite like it - especially the portability of it.
 

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Irrelevant to you but disposing of all that trash is serious in the develped world.
And what about the trash from all the Archos PMPs you carry around and tote endlessly? Nobody should develop anything...




That is one reason to buy it - 'sexy' but it is hardly a sensible reason.

How about 'does exactly what I've been looking for all this time'.





Of course. When an average user buys a car, something most people don't consider a gimmick they want to know these things - fuel consumption, service plans, cost of service, reliability etc. Few people just buy a car because it looks 'pretty'. I mean I know some do, but most people - don't.

Ok how about: fastest mobile cpu on the planet, 10 hour battery life on full use, heavily multitouch-oriented and fully developed mobile-centric operating system with 140,000 already existing apps - all in a 1st gen device? I'd say that's a pretty impressive list. You're complaining about what was left out but they have time to fix it iteratively - as Apple has always done.

$829. Almost the price of a Macbook but 1/10 of the function. Why shouldn't it have the function of a Macbook?

$500 - why do you have to quote the highest model? At $500 it's barely higher than a kindle dx with 10x the functionality.


Exactly. It is a tailor made device to get people to spend money on something they don't need, for the purpose of making $$$ for Apple from secondary content sales.

How about for serving people with content they have hitherto been unable to get easy access to? You can make the same argument about any entertainment-focused device. It's such a trivial and generic argument. So what if it's frivolous? What if a law or medical student uses it as an all-inclusive study aid? What if serious journals are able to monetise it to provide injections of needed revenue? An iPod is far more trivial but somehow more justifiable by you.


Which is why iTunes content doesn't play on Macs. (Sarcasm)

Who uses their netbooks for the same purposes that the iPad will serve, honestly? As an ebook reader it's awkward, as a content viewer it's unsexy. You want to force someone - a non-techie - to wrestle with osx on a 9.7" touchscreen? It sounds like a complete nightmare to me.


http://stevenf.com/pages/tc1100/ for you :D
 

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And what about the trash from all the Archos PMPs you carry around and tote endlessly? Nobody should develop anything...

Er I don't own an Archos. Secondly why should another company not develop a superior spec'ed product. Thirdly yes, every bit helps and not making extra gadgets to confuse shoppers is a big bonus.

How about 'does exactly what I've been looking for all this time'.

So you have an Itunes subscription in SA and can view their videos or do you plan on being satisfied with Apple Trailers only? Because Apple does not support DVD or Bluray ripping.


Ok how about: fastest mobile cpu on the planet, 10 hour battery life on full use, heavily multitouch-oriented and fully developed mobile-centric operating system with 140,000 already existing apps - all in a 1st gen device? I'd say that's a pretty impressive list. You're complaining about what was left out but they have time to fix it iteratively - as Apple has always done.

First of all it's not the fastest mobile CPU on the market, it is a ARM processor at 1GHz. The fastest CPUs would be ULV Core2Duos and the upcoming Nehalem based CPUs - i3 or i5. Those would be the fastest mainstream mobile CPUs. Or do you mean mobile as in 'mobile phone'? You know they could have put in a Core i3 into that thing to do some serious business.

And who died and made you a god to say that I shouldn't complain.

$500 - why do you have to quote the highest model? At $500 it's barely higher than a kindle dx with 10x the functionality.

Yeah with 3G and with decent storage. You know those iTunes 720p movies and music take up space unless you only plan to have a little bit with you. My 3rd Gen iPod from 2003 has 40GB of space and this piece of junk sells with 16GB and 32GB? Come on.
64GB is definately too little.

How about for serving people with content they have hitherto been unable to get easy access to? You can make the same argument about any entertainment-focused device. It's such a trivial and generic argument. So what if it's frivolous? What if a law or medical student uses it as an all-inclusive study aid? What if serious journals are able to monetise it to provide injections of needed revenue? An iPod is far more trivial but somehow more justifiable by you.

What content might that be? Will they open up the iTunes store for South Africans to buy movies, videos and songs? Remember Apple only allows you to rip CDs legitimately.

My argument is that had this been a more open device - you could still do all your iTunes stuff and do more. I want more and $829 is a lot of moolah to spend on a tablet you can't even legitimately buy MOVIES and MUSIC for. You can't legitimately RIP DVDs as iTunes does not allow that. You can only rip CDS and for that an iPad is pointless.

An iPod is a music playing device, tiny and light and fits in your pocket. This is a big thing which doesn't fit anywhere - unless you're wearing a trench-coat and runs tiny iPhone apps in little windows - one at a time. For so much money and the fact that it is an outlet device much like an XBOX360 or Amazon Kindle - they could have subsidized it more or put in a better screen with more functionality. Those who don't want the functionality can get the LITE model or can just NOT USE IT until they find a need to.

You know I wouldn't be harping on this so much except Steve Jobs went on how this thing is better than a netbook - even a notebook.


Who uses their netbooks for the same purposes that the iPad will serve, honestly? As an ebook reader it's awkward, as a content viewer it's unsexy. You want to force someone - a non-techie - to wrestle with osx on a 9.7" touchscreen? It sounds like a complete nightmare to me.

A netbook can view any video. For one, I don't have to convert my video to QuickTime MOV H.264 Basic Profile L3 in some low bitrate. I can play any video -WMV, RMVB, RM, MP2, MP4, MKV, MOV, AVI etc. I can run the full version of an Office Suite. I can run the same browsers I enjoy on my desktop. I can run many things at the same time. I can install proprietary software. I have full control. And what do you mean UNSEXY? Jessica Alba is sexy. Aya Ueto is sexy. A piece of metal is not sexy.

You see unlike many Apple pundits, I didn't buy a Mac Pro because it looks 'sexy'. I did not buy an Apple Cinema Display because it was inferior to the 30 inch I bought instead. I didn't sit and wait and put a Intel SSD into my MP. I got the machine and softs because it works and it allows me to customise it the same way that I can customise a Windows box. I used to own an iPod but when the Video iPod came out the 320 by 400 display was not good enough. I purchased a player which had 800 by 400 - 2 years ago, in brilliant full colour which can play more advanced H.264 video than the iPhone/iPod plus DivX, xVid, MP2, MP4, MJPEG and supports AVI to MKV containers. I buy what's most functional and best and IMO Apple has some good stuff but also some lame stuff with substandard specs - and part of that is the CONFLICT OF INTEREST Apple (and SONY) has (have) in delivering hardware tailor made to play (preferentially) their CONTENT.

I don't fall for the hype. I didn't buy a Magic Mouse because it is a gimmick. I didn't buy a Time Capsule because I think the same thing. Apple is not perfect and among their good products - their PCs and OS as well as productivity software - they have many gimmicky products which still sell well - the way that sites like Twitter/Facebook sell to millions of users. But at the end, they could have been so much better- sadly they're not.
 

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What I find scary is the amount of apple fanbois breaking down steve and/or the ipad - it's shocking
I believe its commonly called a crisis of faith. The whole Jobs, why has thou forsaken me thing.

I quite like it - especially the portability of it.
I think what concerns me more is that we actually agree on something mac related. :eek: :)

Some people are so obsessed with trying to pigeon hole it into a preconceived idea of what it should have been that they're missing out what an elegant product it is.
 
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I'm thinking that instead of replacing my MBP with a unibody, I'm going to get a 64GB iPad instead (maybe wait for the 2G version).
It covers basically everything I use my MBP for:

Web
Email
NetNewsWire
Calendar
Contacts
iTunes
Photos
iWork
Twitter
Skype
Facebook
Bloomberg
Bento
Remote
Delicious Library

Carrying something with the size, resolution and battery life of the iPad will make things a lot easier for me... not to mention the instant on ability.
 

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I wouldn't mind taking a closer look at the iPad (gadget addiction drool in action :p), but not being able to play divx/xvid is a deal-breaker.
 

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if they jailbreak it will that mean you will be able to install apps that CAN play Xvid?

I want to be able to load my own Movies, Music and PDF books onto it, bypassing the apple stores....can one do that?
if it can do that, and sells in SA for an acceptable price I will definitely buy one!

the fact that $99 iPhones sell for serious moolah here, means that $500 is gonna break the bank though... core is gonna murder us with the price!
 

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I wouldn't mind taking a closer look at the iPad (gadget addiction drool in action :p), but not being able to play divx/xvid is a deal-breaker.
I have an app installed on my iphone that lets you stream content from your PC to the handset in most video formats. It will also, at the push of a button, convert files to sync later.

if they jailbreak it will that mean you will be able to install apps that CAN play Xvid?

I want to be able to load my own Movies, Music and PDF books onto it, bypassing the apple stores....can one do that?
if it can do that, and sells in SA for an acceptable price I will definitely buy one!

the fact that $99 iPhones sell for serious moolah here, means that $500 is gonna break the bank though... core is gonna murder us with the price!
you can already do that.

Remember that $99 iPhone is the old 3g model that is heavily subsidised by ATT. Its normally $499 for the 8gb model without that subsidy.
 

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I never use iTunes to get the content I put on the iTouch - ever. iTunes syncs whatever I convert over - but I use apps for reading all my books.
 

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I believe its commonly called a crisis of faith. The whole Jobs, why has thou forsaken me thing.

You know, some of us who use Apple products, couldn't care less if Jobs remains at Apple or not.

I think what concerns me more is that we actually agree on something mac related. :eek: :)
Some people are so obsessed with trying to pigeon hole it into a preconceived idea of what it should have been that they're missing out what an elegant product it is

And some people genuinely like something because they find it useful, while others drink the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid, and rubbish other peoples' opinions. I think you should just run an "I love Steve Jobs" forum here, bwana because that opinion is the only opinion that counts.
 

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I'm thinking that instead of replacing my MBP with a unibody, I'm going to get a 64GB iPad instead (maybe wait for the 2G version).
It covers basically everything I use my MBP for:

Web
Email
NetNewsWire
Calendar
Contacts
iTunes
Photos
iWork
Twitter
Skype
Facebook
Bloomberg
Bento
Remote
Delicious Library

Carrying something with the size, resolution and battery life of the iPad will make things a lot easier for me... not to mention the instant on ability.

You can only run 1 at a time though and no it boots slower than my netbook - at 15s.
 

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I never use iTunes to get the content I put on the iTouch - ever. iTunes syncs whatever I convert over - but I use apps for reading all my books.

So you don't use iTunes but you use iTunes.

If it works for you -- great! But don't assume it works for everyone and that everyone likes it. Don't be a 6 year old and force your views on others. iTunes btw is one of the worst pieces of software ever written - honestly - I hardly use it. Back in 2003 I used a different app to drag/drop files and playlists to my iPod.
 

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I reckon I can live with that... I only really do one thing at a time anyway.
 

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if they jailbreak it will that mean you will be able to install apps that CAN play Xvid?

Jailbreaking is not sanctioned by Apple.

I want to be able to load my own Movies, Music and PDF books onto it, bypassing the apple stores....can one do that?
if it can do that, and sells in SA for an acceptable price I will definitely buy one!

The magic of the iPad lies in that you can buy stuff from iTunes. In SA we get no iTunes Store. You can load other files - eg video - but you will have to convert your DIVX, H264, etc to the specific subtype of H.264 the 1GHz Apple processor and chipset is optimised to play.

the fact that $99 iPhones sell for serious moolah here, means that $500 is gonna break the bank though... core is gonna murder us with the price!

Judging by Core pricing, it should be R6-7K for the $500 device. Of course 32GB is very little for movies, which means, you will need 64GB at least and with 3G to enjoy full functionality. The built in 3G will however be made obsolete by the upcoming 21mbps 3G or whatever it will be called.
 

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I reckon I can live with that... I only really do one thing at a time anyway.

Yes but that's an artificial limitation. On the iPhone with the tiny screen it makes more sense to run 1 app at a time. Here with that 9.7 inch screen you won't be able to have your IM session while browsing for example.

Now that's cool if you're happy by that, but you're being limited. Apple could have made a much better product by not having that limitation or priced a $1200 model which runs full OSX functionality. I'd have bought one for sure.
 

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So you don't use iTunes but you use iTunes.

If it works for you -- great! But don't assume it works for everyone and that everyone likes it. Don't be a 6 year old and force your views on others. iTunes btw is one of the worst pieces of software ever written - honestly - I hardly use it. Back in 2003 I used a different app to drag/drop files and playlists to my iPod.

I'm not forcing my views on anyone - why would you think that? You're allowed to not like it, but I'm not even sure what your point is. You seem to dislike it because it's purely a gadget when you wanted a full OS in a tablet - which is naive at best. The iPhone OS makes a LOT more sense from Apple's point of view and from the viewpoint of the end user who values simplicity over technical functionality. I'm not defending iTunes either, I only use it as to sync with. Otherwise I never have to use Apple's ecosystem despite getting full use out of my iTouch. That's what I'm getting at.

From my side, having OSX on a slate would be a nightmare - do I want to use Photoshop, Time Machine, Bootstrapper? OSX is designed as a full featured desktop/notebook OS. I suppose Apple could release a slate, or you could hackintosh one for yourself, but I think you'd find it cripplingly difficult to use with a multitouch tablet form factor. And I think the potential end market for it would be multiples less than the iPad - which Apple's ability to monetize doesn't seem to bother you as they should simply create devices to suit your checklists.
 
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