Apple iPad released - Whats your take?

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Some people - a lot of people on this forum - will just have no use for the iPad. It is a closed ecosystem, it is not a netbook etc etc. I think though that there is a large market that is looking for precisely this kind of device, and I do foresee it becoming very successful. If you want a small notebook with a full-fledged OS there are already a ton of vendors who will provide it for you, no problem. If you want a tablet to also have a full OS, HP and Microsoft have you served. I think it was wise for Apple to create something that wouldn't fit into those paradigms. iPad has a totally different potential userbase, and I think a much larger one. For everyone who loves a hierarchical filing system, there are 20 for whom it is anathema.
 

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Really, what the iPad just needs to actually make it worth its while...
a) cardRead + USB
b) GPS!!!!! (it will make for an awesome GPS)
c) camera ..... maybe.
d) MULTITASKING <== without this it's utterly useless
e) Better screen - it's only 1024x768 pixels. Steve Jobs said it's a "high resolution display". BS.
 

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I think those who are so disappointed with the ipad were expecting a fully fledged netbook. There are already so many on the market, one more from apple would just have slid into the bottom/middle somewhere and stolen from their macbook market.

For me, the ipad is a great concept. When I travel, I have my iphone to make calls, and my laptop to surf and do banking/emails/etc (iphone screen just too small for those), and 2 or 3 books for downtime, maybe a couple magazines too. This device can cover all except the phone. And it is the size and weight of one magazine. Imagine my carry on bag being that much emptier and lighter.

I also think that Apple's main aim with this launch was their ibooks app. It's a money spinner for them second to none and could really see the ebook market taking off, with the ease of use and convenience, as long as they stock it like they stock itunes. I mean imagine downloading a book in 10 minutes as opposed to ordering from kalahari.net and waiting 7-14 days for your paperback to arrive. Not having to have bookshelves storing all these books, the trees saved because there is no paper... This is apart from all the other cool features, like being able to lay in bed and read it, or watch a movie.

There is definitely a strong market for the ipad, it's just not the netbook market...
 

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Adobe is just insulted - but tbh flash is not the future of the web anyway. Html5 is about to render it obsolete. It simply takes too much resources.
 

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Adobe is just insulted - but tbh flash is not the future of the web anyway. Html5 is about to render it obsolete. It simply takes too much resources.
Maybe so... but that's not Apple's reason for not including it. It's more about lock-in to services that Apple can charge for. Apple doesn't want their devices to be able to display content from Hulu or work with flash games because it competes with iTunes and their app store. For me, no flash on the iPhone was no biggie... on the iPad it seems a bit silly.
 

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Yeah but it's still a 1st gen device. Content providers will work out a way to bring flash to the device, multitasking has been available on the iPhone to anyone with a bit of effort. Power users will figure out a way to bring those things across. There is already a flash app on the iPhone.
 

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Yeah but it's still a 1st gen device. Content providers will work out a way to bring flash to the device, multitasking has been available on the iPhone to anyone with a bit of effort. Power users will figure out a way to bring those things across. There is already a flash app on the iPhone.

I think the reason for the negative comments is mostly to do with disappointment. Apple have a great OS in OSX, they have the most intuitive UI, they have great technology and interface in "multi touch". And still, they managed to cripple the device. The processor exists that would allow them to run OSX with similar power requirements to the ARM 1GHz that they're using. Using the atom platform would allow a full OSX experience with multitasking, full web functionality.

That would be the ultimate tablet device.
 

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No that would be a keyboard-less computer. That isn't what Apple intended to produce at all. I think if you put that device into the lap of my wife she wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. And my wife is exactly the kind of audience they're trying to get with this iPad. You might not get it but I promise you she does - when we watched the videos she just got it. It's a massmarket device like the iPod and the iPhone. The OS has to be as transparent as possible. iPhone OS was the right base to upscale from, not downwards from OSX.
 

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No that would be a keyboard-less computer. That isn't what Apple intended to produce at all. I think if you put that device into the lap of my wife she wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. And my wife is exactly the kind of audience they're trying to get with this iPad. You might not get it but I promise you she does - when we watched the videos she just got it. It's a massmarket device like the iPod and the iPhone. The OS has to be as transparent as possible. iPhone OS was the right base to upscale from, not downwards from OSX.

I think we'll have to agree to differ. I don't think it necessary to cripple functionality in order to make it user friendly. Apple have demonstrated this in their computer range. But that's just my opinion.
 

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The keyboard and cover is one thing - but I kind of expect even in a cheapo R4k netbook I'm going to get those basic adapters. There is no reason to charge more.


one thing about widescreen is it's a compromise shape because it's 1: a reading/internet device and 2: a tv/movie viewer. I think even the movie watching is secondary because memory is so poor. But i like the smartfit function on the iphone so something like that would work.

There is left over space for a larger screen. The bezel is large enough to accommodate a wider device. I guess they just wanted it to look prettier by having the same edge on each side.

Look this is something that geeks aren't really going to get because they (we) want functionality all the way and this device is poor on that. But Jobs is right it's a LOT sexier than a netbook and perfectly suited for most of the same functions

I'm sorry but this isn't about GEEKS. This has nothing to do with geeks. This is about everyone who uses a small portable computer. What do they use it for? An HD tablet PC running OSX could do all the things JOBS spoke about - iTunes movies, music as well as games. They could also include the same iPhone apps by way of an emulator. It works very easily and transparently in OSX. In addition people could run the apps they run on their desktop/laptop. Enjoy movies in DV format?
Sure no problem. Enjoy movies in H.264 Advanced Profile - sure no problem. Enjoy 3rd party Mac OSX games. Enjoy IM? Run IM applets.

Then they take iPhone OS and put iWork in it. Why put iWork in Mr Jobs? If this is a consumer tablet for Apple royalty content WHY have iWork?
 

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I think we'll have to agree to differ. I don't think it necessary to cripple functionality in order to make it user friendly. Apple have demonstrated this in their computer range. But that's just my opinion.

But by the same measure it isn't necessary to have full OSX functionality in a limited scope device. iPhone OS destroyed Winmo (which I was an ardent fan of until I held an iPhone) by stripping out the backend of the OS. It wasn't so easy to tweak but after a bit of usage it doesn't matter because the functionality that does exist is actually just what you need. eg I actually do know where my files are stored on the iTouch but I really don't care.

Look it may be that iPad is actually a failure - but I want to wait and see when it comes out. I somehow think that when it filters out and iteratively fixes the 1st gen complaints, it's going to be a breathtaking piece of kit. As for the complaint about resolution - actually the original iPhone had a weak resolution even for the time - my Dell Axim X51v has full VGA. But the quality of the iPhone screen outweighed the lower resolution.


I'm sorry but this isn't about GEEKS. This has nothing to do with geeks. This is about everyone who uses a small portable computer. What do they use it for? An HD tablet PC running OSX could do all the things JOBS spoke about - iTunes movies, music as well as games. They could also include the same iPhone apps by way of an emulator. It works very easily and transparently in OSX. In addition people could run the apps they run on their desktop/laptop. Enjoy movies in DV format?
Sure no problem. Enjoy movies in H.264 Advanced Profile - sure no problem. Enjoy 3rd party Mac OSX games. Enjoy IM? Run IM applets.

No this is totally about geeks. Do you really think OSX is EASY to use for the average person? Why, because it has a dock? OSX is very intimidating - I still have a difficult time coming to grips with it. Then if you dumbed it down the geeks - you - would be up in arms - why not this, why not that? You would put off people with a full-featured OS because then ipso facto it becomes reshuffled to the small PC category.

This isn't even in the same category as a small portable computer. If you commute to work, have your Starbucks in the morning and check your netbook for the news/feeds...read Conde Naste magazine online and just want it to come in an easily digestible format.... or in a pinch produce a work document, check email etc. You may also not want to play on a Nintendo Wii - but there are a whole slew of hitherto unserved customers who happened to want just that kind of a device.

iPad will also be served by the app store dont forget - who I'm sure will step in to fill what was lacking in Apple's vision for the hardcore contingent.
 
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There is left over space for a larger screen. The bezel is large enough to accommodate a wider device. I guess they just wanted it to look prettier by having the same edge on each side.



I'm sorry but this isn't about GEEKS. This has nothing to do with geeks. This is about everyone who uses a small portable computer. What do they use it for? An HD tablet PC running OSX could do all the things JOBS spoke about - iTunes movies, music as well as games. They could also include the same iPhone apps by way of an emulator. It works very easily and transparently in OSX. In addition people could run the apps they run on their desktop/laptop. Enjoy movies in DV format?
Sure no problem. Enjoy movies in H.264 Advanced Profile - sure no problem. Enjoy 3rd party Mac OSX games. Enjoy IM? Run IM applets.

Then they take iPhone OS and put iWork in it. Why put iWork in Mr Jobs? If this is a consumer tablet for Apple royalty content WHY have iWork?

I believe that the device you and the geeks were expecting is called the Macbook Air.
 

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I believe that the device you and the geeks were expecting is called the Macbook Air.

I already have a lighter device (with a DVD burner and a higher res screen) than the Macbook Air - it's called a Panasonic Toughbook. It doesn't run OSX but I have a Xeon based Mac Pro for that. No biggie.

Alf, there is a major difference between notebooks / netbooks and tablets - in interface terms.

Apple let me down. And I was always punting their stuff - well I was only punting their PCs and OSX - not the other stuff for which I have no use. Not that it matters too much, the competition may be stirred into releasing a better device instead. A new multitouch VersaPro Tablet - maybe?. Sadly it won't have Apple's build quality - it will be superior - but hey at least there won't be any tablets running OSX this year.

Steve Jobs is a chop.
 

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But by the same measure it isn't necessary to have full OSX functionality in a limited scope device. iPhone OS destroyed Winmo (which I was an ardent fan of until I held an iPhone) by stripping out the backend of the OS. It wasn't so easy to tweak but after a bit of usage it doesn't matter because the functionality that does exist is actually just what you need. eg I actually do know where my files are stored on the iTouch but I really don't care.

Look it may be that iPad is actually a failure - but I want to wait and see when it comes out. I somehow think that when it filters out and iteratively fixes the 1st gen complaints, it's going to be a breathtaking piece of kit. As for the complaint about resolution - actually the original iPhone had a weak resolution even for the time - my Dell Axim X51v has full VGA. But the quality of the iPhone screen outweighed the lower resolution.
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting a tablet version of an MBpro. However, I think that a simplified interface could be built without removing functionality. I have no issues with the interface, merely the functionality. I wasn't expecting a big iPod Touch.
 

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But by the same measure it isn't necessary to have full OSX functionality in a limited scope device. iPhone OS destroyed Winmo (which I was an ardent fan of until I held an iPhone) by stripping out the backend of the OS. It wasn't so easy to tweak but after a bit of usage it doesn't matter because the functionality that does exist is actually just what you need. eg I actually do know where my files are stored on the iTouch but I really don't care.

Look it may be that iPad is actually a failure - but I want to wait and see when it comes out. I somehow think that when it filters out and iteratively fixes the 1st gen complaints, it's going to be a breathtaking piece of kit. As for the complaint about resolution - actually the original iPhone had a weak resolution even for the time - my Dell Axim X51v has full VGA. But the quality of the iPhone screen outweighed the lower resolution.

The thing is when I put a Sharp WX-T92 (2008 model) next to an iPhone - 854x480 vs 480x320 with the Sharp beating the iPhone in colour reproduction and contrast, I just don't know. Yes the iPhone is more functional than a Japanese non-smartphone (>90% of the users there don't use smartphones) but I can't stand to wonder how nicer it would be of Apple to use a Sharp ASV LCD for their phone - with 1024x480 or even 854x480 and 16.7 mil high contrast colour. In terms of MP3/Video players, my Cowon A3 has an 800x480 16.7 mil screen with high viewing angle and no ghosting/smearing and plays more file formats (including H.264 formats which the iPods can't play). You know - you've put it well - for consumers, Apple is releasing media consumption devices - after all you don't need better resolution for their iTMS.



No this is totally about geeks. Do you really think OSX is EASY to use for the average person? Why, because it has a dock? OSX is very intimidating - I still have a difficult time coming to grips with it. Then if you dumbed it down the geeks - you - would be up in arms - why not this, why not that? You would put off people with a full-featured OS because then ipso facto it becomes reshuffled to the small PC category.

YES it is. I'm sorry but the average person can muster Windows - OSX is much easier. I have an 87 yr old grandfather who has no problems with WinXP and he would find OSX much easier. Windows is hard to use but not impossible. OSX is easier. OSX has been punted by Windows as the OS for the masses of less technologically literate people for ages. You ever watch any of these Justin Long Mac ads?

This isn't even in the same category as a small portable computer. If you commute to work, have your Starbucks in the morning and check your netbook for the news/feeds...read Conde Naste magazine online and just want it to come in an easily digestible format.... or in a pinch produce a work document, check email etc. You may also not want to play on a Nintendo Wii - but there are a whole slew of hitherto unserved customers who happened to want just that kind of a device.

Apple had a choice. The one option was to release a tablet PC you could do everything that your Mac does and they could have sold it for the price of the Macbook. The other option was to make another half-baked Kindle/half baked PMP/half baked netbook. They made the latter.

iPad will also be served by the app store dont forget - who I'm sure will step in to fill what was lacking in Apple's vision for the hardcore contingent

Exactly. It will make them money that way. That is cute and all, but "DO NOT WANT" and many Apple fans are saying the same. You see at present time there is no need in the market for an internet appliance like the iPad. Jobs is creating the need. He is saying that people need to dump their 10+ hour Macbooks (or PCs) for another device. Another piece of junk to just browse the web and read The Village Voice or HuffingPost. Most people were using their macbooks for that purpose already. So now they're increasing the carbon footprint because the iPad won't replace a full computer and if you have an iPhone/iPodTouch you can already do the other things a Macbook can't - like access those 140K of apps without which life is somehow impossible. So now, buy an iPad, buy an iPhone and buy a Macbook. Nice, except - 1. The carbon footprint is increasing - THANK YOU APPLE, 2. Who has the space in their tiny East Side Pad to keep all that junk. 3. An iPhone fits in your pocket, the iPad takes almost as much space as a Macbook and has 1/10th of the functionality. So it's take the one or the other or better yet - be a real idiot can carry both.
 

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You're really complaining about a lot of very irrelevant stuff. Increasing carbon footprint? Creating pointless devices? You're the master of extraneous hardware. If you don't like it then don't buy - but I foresee a large market demand. You know what - I have no use for a Macbook, I can give 1000 reasons why it doesn't suit my requirements - but it's still a very sexy and well made piece of kit. The iPad has a massive potential userbase - maybe it isn't you but do you think Steve Jobs cares? You are the type of person who will research into codec support, viewing angles and so forth - whereas what the average consumer cares about is slick, sexy interfaces, ease of use (and sorry I have to assert that you're wrong about OSX - it wouldn't work as a massmarket tablet).

The person who buys an iPad will not buy a macbook - they may have another laptop but they won't use it for the same purposes. iPad is all about media consumption. A normal notebook won't serve for ebook reading, episodic tv content, etc.
 
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