Apple unveils first Intel computer

[JStrike]

Apple is not trying to take on MS. They are trying to marginally increase their market share. The two profitable regions of production are at the ends of the production scale. It would be dissatrous for their profitability if they got 25-65% market share.

And yes, I still maintain, Vista needs a *lot* of work. They are overusing transparency, etc similarly to what Apple did 5 years ago

 

[kolakidd]

Apple has a closed developement loop, it developes the hardware which runs it's software and vice versa, this is the key to their stable products. They have never wanted to run the apple OS on anything but apple machines, because the hardware configuration is unpredictable. Hence apple cancelling it's deal with cloned mac's in the 90's. Sony is about the closest thing to apple on terms of this type of developement loop (on the hardware side), which is why apple hijacked the sony viao machine to help with the devlopement of the Macbook.

Running OS on a pc not assembled by mac would potentially tarnish the reputation the mac OS has for stability.

 

[Skeptik]

Skeptik : It is not a step backwards. It is a massive step forwards (As far as laptops go). It is a dualcore, making the performance gain pretty massive. Even more so when you look at performance per watt (Important for laptops)
Vista will not be "mainly 64bit". It will have a 64bit version, just like there is a 64bit version of XP. (And some of the versions such as Vista Starter Edition will not have 64bit support at all)

But as for triple booting, not sure that XP can handle EFI. I think it requires BIOS. Might have to wait for Vista if you want to triple boot

Err, what I read is that Vista is 64bit but uses 32 bit emulation for those PCs Intel considers 'old'. Its really an attempt to get the upgraders moving because it benefits both MS and Intel. Vista will probably be bloated and run like a pig on a PC you bought last year. <---- my prediction anyway based on past OS upgrades
The dual cores coming out now seem to be a stopgap until the 64bit express train comes thundering down the track. Just watch what AMD does soon and you will see Intel's next move.

 

[Darth Garth]

It is rather interesting to note that Apple is now bigger than Dell in terms of their market cap .

The new Mac's use the EFI standard BIOS using a standard Intel chipset with an ATI Radeon gdx card but cannot boot XP unless Apple included a BIOS compatibility layer in the firmware which people assume they have done.

But they don't care what you run on it since they a hardware company first and foremost dedicated to flogging boxes.

They just won't support you when you have a problem with XP on your Mac.

 

[werner]

Err, what I read is that Vista is 64bit but uses 32 bit emulation for those PCs Intel considers 'old'.

a 32bit cpu cant run a 64bit OS trying to emulate a 32bit os. gettit?

I have here:

Windows Build 5270 Main 32 bit DVD
and
Windows Build 5270 Main 64 bit DVD

So, two distinct versions.

 

[Darth Garth]

Err, what I read is that Vista is 64bit but uses 32 bit emulation for those PCs Intel considers 'old'.

Oh really ???.

Vista will come with both 32 and 64 bit binaries and at boot time select the correct "flavour" to run.

 

[Skeptik]

Oh really ???.

Vista will come with both 32 and 64 bit binaries and at boot time select the correct "flavour" to run.

Are you talking about the Beta releases? PC Pro Magazine could be wrong or MS were just speculating on the format of the eventual release - - delayed - - delayed - - delayed.

 

[Darth Garth]

Are you talking about the Beta releases? PC Pro Magazine could be wrong or MS were just speculating on the format of the eventual release - - delayed - - delayed - - delayed.

Not the beta releases.

There is going to be various flavours of Vista available i.e Media Centre, Pro , Home, Pro Home, Server and Tablet editions which will all come on one installation meduim and will be installed on a PC with the idea that you can "upgrade" from one flavour to the other via an "unlocking" procedure.

It would simply make sense not to have a Vista and Vista 64 bit Edition floating around.

 

[kilps]

It is a pitty about Apple concentrating more on hardware (or so some people claim) as I think their OS is their strength ....

 

[bwana]

It is a pitty about Apple concentrating more on hardware (or so some people claim) as I think their OS is their strength ....

I'm sure they've got considerable resources dedicated to developing OsX.

 

[Darth Garth]

From Ars.Technica ... you can't install XP or Vista on it .

Just for kicks, I tried to boot from a Windows XP installer CD. No dice. I then tried booting from a Vista installer DVD (Build 5270). Again, no dice. When holding down the Option key, the only icon that appeared was for the iMac's internal hard drive. Holding down the D key to try to force booting off of the optical drive failed as well. With the Vista DVD, the optical drive churned a bit and the iMac hesitated as though it were contemplating whether it wanted to boot the foreign OS. Soon afterwards, the familiar gray Apple logo appeared on screen and Mac OS X finished booting.

I tried booting directly into the Extensible Firmware Interface, but was unsuccessful using the familiar Command-Option-O-F and other key-mashing combos that seemed promising (Command-Option-E-F-I?) failed to accomplish the task.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/imac-coreduo.ars/7

 

[bwana]

From Ars.Technica ... you can't install XP or Vista on it .

Just for kicks, I tried to boot from a Windows XP installer CD. No dice. I then tried booting from a Vista installer DVD (Build 5270). Again, no dice. When holding down the Option key, the only icon that appeared was for the iMac's internal hard drive. Holding down the D key to try to force booting off of the optical drive failed as well. With the Vista DVD, the optical drive churned a bit and the iMac hesitated as though it were contemplating whether it wanted to boot the foreign OS. Soon afterwards, the familiar gray Apple logo appeared on screen and Mac OS X finished booting.

I tried booting directly into the Extensible Firmware Interface, but was unsuccessful using the familiar Command-Option-O-F and other key-mashing combos that seemed promising (Command-Option-E-F-I?) failed to accomplish the task.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/imac-coreduo.ars/7

Granted I'm not much of a windows person but dont these both currently operate on pc's with a bios? The intel macs use EFI.

 

[KenHall]

There are a number of images of Apples X OS for x86 floating around on the web. They require an motherboard with the Intel 915 chipset preferably GL as it has a graphics accel. onboard. It can be installed with using a Celeron D CPU and it works! It looks just like Apple on an Apple. Seems that the CPU should have support for SSE02 and SSE03.