Apple's next-generation iPhone Media Event! (2013)

[Maverick Jester]

Did they copy Nokia though? When did Nokia's coloured lumia's launch cause the iPod 5th gen touch launched in October 2012 and it was then that Apple started with multi coloured devices.

EDIT: I see the 920 launched in September 2012... Mmmmmm..

Like this?

 

[Maverick Jester]

Well ios isn't android either :erm: they were comparing plastic in the quote and it seems odd that nokia would be left out.

Not really. The Lumia is very well built. Additionally, neither Motorola nor HTC (or even Asus for that matter) were mentioned in the comparison.

Unfortunately, Samsung and (for the most part) LG use really cheap plastics for their devices.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Lets see. The S4 uses polycarbonate plastic and the 5C uses...polycarbonate plastic!

Yeah, again, that doesn't make it the same quality.

Compare the polycarbonate bodies of the HTC One X, Nokia Lumia 920 and Galaxy S4, and you will easily see the difference in plastic quality.

As I said earlier, it's like comparing a VW Polo to a Tata Indica. Both are made out of metal as well, yet the difference in quality is orders of magnitude apart.

 

[genetic]

Unfortunately, Samsung and (for the most part) LG use really cheap plastics for their devices.

:erm: Not sure where you get your info from, but:

While the phone doesn’t feel like an expensive high-end device, Samsung certainly didn’t skimp on materials. As Samsung’s technical marketing manager Philip Berne noted in response to my tweet, the Galaxy S4 case uses “the same polycarbonate material used in Formula 1 cars and helmets.” This is not a cheap, flimsy material. This is a durable polycarbonate with plenty of science and R&D money behind it.

The combined value of its parts is actually 10% higher than the aluminum iPhone 5′s bill of materials

http://bgr.com/2013/05/09/galaxy-s4-plastic-quality/

But I do agree - it does feel darn cheap in the hand in comparison to the iPhone5 / HTC One.

 

[Maverick Jester]

:erm: Not sure where you get your info from, but:





http://bgr.com/2013/05/09/galaxy-s4-plastic-quality/

But I do agree - it does feel darn cheap in the hand in comparison to the iPhone5 / HTC One.

Sorry, I should have been specific: cheaper-feeling. Didn't mean cheap in the sense of cost- it is polycarbonate after all.

 

[cerebus]

Agree on 2 tone but just not with the circular cut out everywhere approach...

But... but...... it's unapologetically holey.

 

[icyrus]

Did they copy Nokia though? When did Nokia's coloured lumia's launch cause the iPod 5th gen touch launched in October 2012 and it was then that Apple started with multi coloured devices.

EDIT: I see the 920 launched in September 2012... Mmmmmm..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Mini

 

[w1z4rd]

 

[AlphaJohn]

"The new iPhone 5S provides unmatched security with its new Fingerprint lock,
which makes your personal data even harder to reach!"

 

[HApyM3al]

sorry to say but this apple event wasmost boring out of the lot and not much happening. I am proud iphone 5 user running ios7 and i expected much more.

 

[Pho3nix]

Did they copy Nokia though? When did Nokia's coloured lumia's launch cause the iPod 5th gen touch launched in October 2012 and it was then that Apple started with multi coloured devices.

EDIT: I see the 920 launched in September 2012... Mmmmmm..

Lumia 800 was out in late 2011..Take from that what you will/
Nokia N9 a months earlier...

 

[AlphaJohn]

Interesting:

The chart Tim Cook doesn’t want you to see

At Apple’s iPhone presentation today, Tim Cook presented the following chart:



At best the chart is misleading; at worst it’s disingenuous. The chart has no scale. It could be showing billions of iPhone sales or it could be showing hundreds of iPhone sales.

Furthermore, showing sales cumulatively tacitly overstates the number of iPhone users, since some iPhone purchases are replacing older or broken iPhones. Many of the phones Apple is claiming as praiseworthy in this chart found the junkyard years ago.

Using data from Apple’s own quarterly reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, I made a better chart:



The overlay shows that, although Apple can boast more than 400 million iPhones sold for all time, its quarterly sales of the product have declined over the last three quarters.

Also worth noting is that the chart shown gives a preview of Apple’s sales ahead of its fourth-quarter earnings release on October 21. Judging by the change in slope on its chart, quarterly sales of iPhones continued to decline.

Source: http://qz.com/122921/the-chart-tim-cook-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

 

[Adenoid Hynkel]

Interesting:



Source: http://qz.com/122921/the-chart-tim-cook-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

What are you on about? Troll much? That chart looks normal. Sales decline when it comes to high tech gadgets, until they release something new.

It's happening to Samsung and every other company.

 

[genetic]

What are you on about? Troll much? That chart looks normal. Sales decline when it comes to high tech gadgets, until they release something new.

It's happening to Samsung and every other company.

So he posts an article that shows Apple's charts with no scale or figures, and you call him a troll? wtf?

 

[SauRoNZA]

sorry to say but this apple event wasmost boring out of the lot and not much happening. I am proud iphone 5 user running ios7 and i expected much more.

I really don't know what people expect sometimes.

At the end of the day it's still just a phone in a rather saturated market that's pretty much at it's technological peak.


It's not magically going to start making coffee.

 

[cerebus]

So he posts an article that shows Apple's charts with no scale or figures, and you call him a troll? wtf?

But he appears to have taken seasonal sales dips as signs of decline. Everyone knows iPhone's sales peak in the first quarter after release and then decline till the release of the next model. We'll see another tickup now that they're releasing 2 models concurrently.

 

[ajules]

Interesting:



Source: http://qz.com/122921/the-chart-tim-cook-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

If highlighting the obvious is interesting then yes.....very interesting!!!

 

[Madhawk]

There are worries the new cheaper iPhone may still be relatively expensive for emerging market buyers

Apple's shares fell more than 5% as investors worried that the firm's latest iPhone models may not help it increase its share in emerging markets.

It launched two models on Tuesday, the iPhone 5S and a cheaper iPhone 5C.

But the basic 5C model, with 16 gigabytes of storage, has been priced at £469 ($740), which analysts said was still expensive for emerging markets.

Apple has found it tough to boost its share of those markets against competition from firms such as Samsung and Huawei.

"Investors were put off that Apple's price point didn't go low enough to attract a new market," said Mark Luschini, chief investment strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott.

"It doesn't have the same range in price that Apple's competitors have," he added.

Apple shares closed at $467.7 on Wednesday, down by 5.4%.

We believe Apple is foregoing a valuable and relatively easy way to return to earnings growth”

Apple has enjoyed tremendous success in developed markets with its iPhone models.

However, it has not been able to repeat that in emerging economies such as China and India, not least because its products are relatively more expensive.

One of the key reasons has been that unlike the developed markets, many mobile carriers do not subsidise phones in these countries.

That makes low-cost phones a much more affordable option for consumers. Many had hoped that Apple would launch a low-end phone to try to lure those buyers.

"The pricing on the iPhone 5C is simply not low enough to adequately address the significant global growth opportunity that we believe exists with unsubsidized prepaid customers that have not yet bought a smartphone," said Walter Piecyk, an analyst with BTIG Research.

"We believe Apple is foregoing a valuable and relatively easy way to return to earnings growth.

"The real question is whether Apple plans to ever go after these markets or rather just remain a high-end phone maker."

Investors had also been hoping for an announcement of a deal with China Mobile, the world's biggest phone company with nearly 700 million subscribers - who could be potential customers of Apple's phones.

Analysts said that the lack of any announcement also hurt investor sentiment.

Source

 

[cerebus]

Source

The thing is... ok I considered this matter a bit more. They can't release any phone that compromises the basic experience of their latest software; i.e. iOS7. They've already established that the most basic chipset for that is the A5 4s chip; the A4 can run it but nobody with an iPhone4 is fooling themselves that they'll get an adequate iOS7 experience. They already sell the 4s as their cheapest model of iPhone. So what investors are asking is that they make a cheaper version of the 4s to push the baseline price under say $250-300. Is that really something they imagine Apple would even consider doing? What would that even look like? Their brand would be trashed, and it would be some plasticky piece of garbage.

IMO the only way forward for them is to provide a convincing reason why someone would pick an iPhone over say an S3 or an S4. The way they're taking is quite logical - leveraging their vertical resources to offer phones that demonstrate an integration of software and hardware; and moving in the direction of exterior customisability, fun and colour - all areas that they can do atm better than anyone else.

 

[AfricanTech]

The thing is... ok I considered this matter a bit more. They can't release any phone that compromises the basic experience of their latest software; i.e. iOS7. They've already established that the most basic chipset for that is the A5 4s chip; the A4 can run it but nobody with an iPhone4 is fooling themselves that they'll get an adequate iOS7 experience. They already sell the 4s as their cheapest model of iPhone. So what investors are asking is that they make a cheaper version of the 4s to push the baseline price under say $250-300. Is that really something they imagine Apple would even consider doing? What would that even look like? Their brand would be trashed, and it would be some plasticky piece of garbage.

IMO the only way forward for them is to provide a convincing reason why someone would pick an iPhone over say an S3 or an S4. The way they're taking is quite logical - leveraging their vertical resources to offer phones that demonstrate an integration of software and hardware; and moving in the direction of exterior customisability, fun and colour - all areas that they can do atm better than anyone else.

and it fits in with the Steve Jobs approach of not chasing market share at the expense of profit margins.

iPhone therefore remains aspirational