Are evolution and religion compatible?

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http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/are-evolution-and-religion-compatible-0021897

A growing number of Muslim biology students are walking out of lectures on evolution, according to a genetics professor in the United Kingdom. The students claim the course material is incompatible with their religious beliefs in creationism.

University College London professor Steve Jones recently told The Sunday Times that in previous years, most objections to his classes came from fundamentalist Christian students. He says the dissent now comes overwhelmingly from Muslim students.

“Occasionally, my colleagues lecturing in universities lament having undergraduate students walk out of their classes when they talk about evolution — this is almost entirely Muslims,” British evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins told the The Sunday Times. “I think there’s a very, very pernicious influence that is lasting up to the university years.”

The debate over teaching evolution is not only heard between Muslims and their non-Muslim counterparts, but also within Islam itself. According to the Evolution Education Research Center at McGill University, many Muslim-majority countries teach evolutionary principles in schools while placing emphasis on supporting material from the Koran.

The same study also found that Muslim students attending religious schools in Western countries were more likely to doubt evolution than their counterparts in countries such as Indonesia or Pakistan.

While some might see this as a reaction to Western scientific values, others, such as Muslim intellectual Edip Yuksel argue that Darwin’s own theories of evolution were influenced by the work of Muslim scientists. Rational thinking and scientific methodology, Yuksel claims, is necessary for Muslims according to the Koran.

In this episode of The Stream, American Islamic scholar and Imam Joe Bradford discusses the relationship between Islam and evolution. Also on the programme is Salman Hameed, a professor of science and humanities at Hampshire College.

Interesting, it seems that Muslims in Western countries are more likely to reject evolution then Muslims in Muslim majority countries.

This is posted in CA because its from Al Jazeera news site.
 
Great festering Zeus, there are a lot of evolution threads going around.

Its actually quite an interesting news article. Basically they are saying that Muslims in Western countries are more opposed to the theory of evolution than people in more fundamental Muslim countries...
 
This is a follow up article by Al Jazeera news site on the previous one.
Then it should be added to the thread where the topic is already being discussed. This is what others seem to do when a follow up article is produced.
 
We can prove Evolution but we can't prove anything relating to religion.

Religions evidence is based on internal faith and some random books, where as Evolution at least to this point has concrete evidence that anyone can verify.

This is why Gene therapy, in my opinion is and will be the key to end all this BS. They won't be able to deny it regardless of what it says in the koran, bible or whatever.

With that said, I am not surprised religion, especially muslims(they have a strong faith) so for them to suddenly believe Evolution over what they grew up with it's easier said then done.

I think overtime though as people start to read more etc, Evolution will be more accepted. It's too early for most religious people right now to fully understand what this world is really all about...Game Theory.
 
Then it should be added to the thread where the topic is already being discussed. This is what others seem to do when a follow up article is produced.

Thanks for the heads up. Can't fix though!
 
Thanks for the heads up. Can't fix though!
Hey no worries. It isn't essential that you add it to the end of the original thread I just thinks it makes for a neater read. Maybe a mod will come by and merge the 2. Otherwise... carry on all :p
 
Its actually quite an interesting news article. Basically they are saying that Muslims in Western countries are more opposed to the theory of evolution than people in more fundamental Muslim countries...

People in cultural and religious minority groups far away from "home" tend to digress a bit don't they?
Digress, meaning, they become more conservative and less open-minded by clutching to the very roots of their respective cultural identity, in this case, religion which is extremely tied up in Muslim culture. Unfortunately anti-evolutionary bollocks has become one of their crutches.

Must be a kind of self preservation thing. Not really that interesting to be honest.

Another example is how obsessed some Afrikaners can get with their cultural identity when they form cluster groups in other countries. Biltong eating, church going, Bok supporting etc. etc.
 
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People in cultural and religious minority groups far away from "home" tend to digress a bit don't they?
Digress, meaning, they become more conservative and less open-minded by clutching to the very roots of their respective cultural identity, in this case, religion which is extremely tied up in Muslim culture. Unfortunately anti-evolutionary bollocks has become one of their crutches.

Must be a kind of self preservation thing. Not really that interesting to be honest.

Another example is how obsessed some Afrikaners can get with their cultural identity when they form cluster groups in other countries. Biltong eating, church going, Bok supporting etc. etc.

Whats your cultural identity? Do you do this?
 
You realise this is like saying "Christian culture" right?

Muslims aren't one contiguous people just as Christians or Buddhists or whatever aren't.

No it's not.
Are you saying that different people cling to their respective culture with exactly the same tenacity?
They don't, not in terms of generalizations.
 
Whats your cultural identity? Do you do this?

Supposed to be "Afrikaner". No, I don't, not even remotely.
Note the use of the words "tend to" in my response.
It's something I observe almost daily in different cultures, with different levels of tenacity.
 
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No it's not.
Uh, yeah it is. "Muslim" just means they follow Islam. Just as "Christian" means you follow "Christianity". Saying "Muslim culture" is exactly like saying "Christian culture".

There are a few common practices but you get Muslims from all sorts of ethnic groups all over the world. They certainly aren't one giant contiguous culture.


Are you saying that different people cling to their respective culture with exactly the same tenacity?
I'm saying it is a religion, not a contiguous culture.
 
Uh, yeah it is. "Muslim" just means they follow Islam. Just as "Christian" means you follow "Christianity". Saying "Muslim culture" is exactly like saying "Christian culture".

There are a few common practices but you get Muslims from all sorts of ethnic groups all over the world. They certainly aren't one giant contiguous culture.



I'm saying it is a religion, not a contiguous culture.

Agreed. But you're accusing me of making the same mistake that the article is making then.
Of course I'm not stupid enough to think all Muslims have the same culture.

Anyway, again. I don't see how this is a "mystery" or that interesting.

Muslim moves to America, Muslim sees lots of things and people who don't represent his specific Islamic teachings and cultures, Muslim clutches to his cultural identity along with fellow Muslims around him, falls more easily into anti-evolution bollocks trap because it's associated more with Western culture and makes Muslim feels like he's standing up for "what is right" and cementing his cultural and closely tied religious identity in the process...

A lot of variables, assumptions etc. in there but surely this still allows for a trend, which is what the article was pointing to.

EDIT: Of course, I'm not saying I'm right...
Could be lots of other factors too. This study just focused on Evolution. Surely there'll be lots of other differences too, like views on arranged marriage etc.
I must say I don't like it when they focus on "Muslims" with stuff like this, it kind of gives the impression that other religions and/or cultures are more "open", which many of them clearly are not.
 
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Agreed. But you're accusing me of making the same mistake that the article is making then.
Of course I'm not stupid enough to think all Muslims have the same culture.
LOL relax mate I'm not saying you were. I assumed it was a simple communication error.

I assure you my language would have been far harsher if I had thought you were intentionally trying to say that all Muslims were one contiguous culture. :p
 
LOL relax mate I'm not saying you were. I assumed it was a simple communication error.

I assure you my language would have been far harsher if I had thought you were intentionally trying to say that all Muslims were one contiguous culture. :p

haha... no worries dude. :P
I just sound pissed off (I'm not) because I've had a wisdom toothache for like 4 days now and this was like, the longest year in the history of my pathetic existence. I'm just commenting on this 'cause it wastes time, which means my holiday is closer. :D
 
religion is there for your mind, and evolution is there for your body, so they are both side by side regardless!
 
religion is there for your mind, and evolution is there for your body, so they are both side by side regardless!
You have to use your mind to come to grips with evolution so honestly this statement seems a little weird to me.
 
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