Are some more equal than others?

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Albereth

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Interesting little development in one of the games yesterday. There was a lot of squad chatter about how one of the players was inactive but was not being dumped by the server. The thought was that either the server admin has to kick the player or that the player had a macro running that kept him active.

This of course begs the question - do some players receive better treatment from the admins? Or are some people running macros that keep a player active. The second option is a lot more sinister in that it is quite possible that some people are not able to get into the game because a slot is being hogged or that a player id is being used by the opfor to check out the map without a need for UAVs or some interesting stats padding is happening that is time based.

Thoughts?
 
the script and actual check to see if a player is idle is a bit dodgy!

just like the rest of the whole damn game!

i've run off to answer the door and had friends over and i came back and i was still in the game about 4 rounds later.. it just happens

i've also been kicked off in the middle of a gunfight cause i was "idle"
 
I've had that too - being kicked for being idle when I wasn't. But this is from the opposite end. Actually being idle and not being kicked.
 
ummm no u guys are wrong

its a server setting

at one stage they had it at 1 minute and you got booted
but ppl where cplaining they went to get coffee or door or phone and came back 2 mins later and where kicked

so they have removed the setting from servers thus you dont get kicked for being idle

no macro's (whateva that is
 
Actually, it's not technically a SERVER setting - it's the BF2CC scripts - there is an admin module that allows for idle kicking if enabled.

-- Just had to have my say. :D
 
I am pretty sure some admins kick players to make space for themselfs on the server as well!

(Actually I know it for a fact)
 
i dig it when people do that, thats how i got my pistol badge:D
Its there own fault
 
killadoob said:
ummm no u guys are wrong

its a server setting

at one stage they had it at 1 minute and you got booted
but ppl where cplaining they went to get coffee or door or phone and came back 2 mins later and where kicked

so they have removed the setting from servers thus you dont get kicked for being idle

no macro's (whateva that is
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I got booted for being idle tonite. Dogs were going mad and cos the one is on heat i had to go make sure that no mongrels were humping her.

Came back and I was skopped.
 
ive seen like (plkayer is going to be kicked to make space for an admin

player kicked to make space for admin

my question is how do they pick who is gonna get kicked?
 
My guess is that they pick random... How would you do it if you were an admin?
Someone you dislike..... Or someone with the lowest score or maybe even someone with the highest score, but I guess the last one can get you into some trouble..... (Although I don't know with who it will get you in trouble since the Admins do as they like...)
 
Do you have to be playing to be an admin? If you are playing how do you do your job as an admin?

Assuming I had to kick someone to get into the game because it is a matter of national security for me to be in the game - I'd kick the player with the worst ping. Or forking brilliant - he's too cool to play with anyone else and would be better off in a single player game.

After that I'd hunt down the little two man locked squads because all they are trying to do is hog the choppers.

So yep, I can go from something that is purely objective to something that is subjective, or even something in between.

But, as a member of WrG, I'd say that the person who has made the most Punish Team Kill calls has to go.
 
wab512 said:
I am pretty sure some admins kick players to make space for themselfs on the server as well!

(Actually I know it for a fact)
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Please elaborate ...
 
Generally , as far as setting go , the servers are not all teh same as far as kicking for idle and high ping. Some have it on some dont. It is something that will be looked at sometime , but there are individual admins responsible for each server. If you have a prob on a specific server , talk to that admin. It doesnt help talking in a forum which they do not watch.

As far as kicking to make space , yes , the admins do have that power. As far as who gets kicked , well we all have a blacklist , are you on it ? and why are you on it ?

I personally dont have to do that , I am on the reserved listing for the 2 servers I normally play and admin on.
 
Gary Waterworth said:
Generally , as far as setting go , the servers are not all teh same as far as kicking for idle and high ping. Some have it on some dont. It is something that will be looked at sometime , but there are individual admins responsible for each server. If you have a prob on a specific server , talk to that admin. It doesnt help talking in a forum which they do not watch.
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Not sure that this thread started as a criticism of admins and I don't think it is heading that way. The comment was more about some players seeming to get different treatment. If it was pure oversight, or the tools weren't set up to monitor no activity or whaterver. That's fine and just how it goes.

However, if some players are being treated differently. If admins are 'abusing' their priviledges to get into a game. If squad stacking is allowed on the supposed auto balance servers. Well something just ain't too kosher in Denmark.

I guess the best admin is one you don't have to talk to. He's done or doing his job. And from what I understand, the job doesn't involve pay so well done there.
 
Albereth said:
Not sure that this thread started as a criticism of admins and I don't think it is heading that way. The comment was more about some players seeming to get different treatment. If it was pure oversight, or the tools weren't set up to monitor no activity or whaterver. That's fine and just how it goes.

However, if some players are being treated differently. If admins are 'abusing' their priviledges to get into a game. If squad stacking is allowed on the supposed auto balance servers. Well something just ain't too kosher in Denmark.

I guess the best admin is one you don't have to talk to. He's done or doing his job. And from what I understand, the job doesn't involve pay so well done there.
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There is a destinction between clan stacking and team stacking and just plain imballance that can occur to the ATB algorithm when people leave and join the game and that only people that are killed are ATB'd. The 1st is legal and 2nd is illegal and the 3rd is just the way that it is. I am not going into that , if you want further clarrification , that whole topic has been covered in SGS forums a number of times. As far as admins so called 'abusing' authority, there is a correct way to report it and let the higher authority sort it out.This is DEFINATELY not the correct medium and as such worthless. Admins have been allocated certain servers to look after . To do that they have to have a presence on that server. If the server is full they need to get onto that server.

the best admin is a person whose given area is governed well with minimal disruption to the public user. ie presence felt and swift on people who cannot remember the ROE they agreed to.
Yes it is done free and Gratis..
 
Gary Waterworth said:
Please elaborate ...
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I've never been kicked by an admin (yet :-)). I do not have a problem if it happens for a specific reason, for example, there is a player that needs to me removed or checked or whatever else.

However, I WILL have a problem with it if Admins just start kicking people everytime they want to play on a busy server. I have no evidence at this stage that this is happening....

A friend of mine was kicked some time ago (kicked to make space for an admin, or some similar message). He knew one of the admin's at that stage (because of pb problems), and he asked him about it. The admin admitted that he sometimes kick players to make space on the server. I am not sure for what reason, but that is their problem.

I just re-read my previous post, and it almost looks like I want to point fingers and start a flame war.... Sorry.... That is not what I intended. Just wanted to state that it is happening (for whatever reason).
 
With respect I think this is a better place to discuss some stuff. People can say what they want here without getting banned from SGS. Sure they may get banned from MyADSL ;o)

I am not raising an issue with admin abuse and am fairly certain that I'd figure out how to do it if you had not kindly pointed the way. Thank you for that. This forum is a medium for open discussion and the sharing of ideas. I never thought that it was a complaints line. And I am sure nobody else does either no matter what the threads may have to say about banks, Eskom, or Telkom. You can rant. You can share an opinion.

What is ATB? Automatic Team Balancing?

I see some servers have it on and others don't. That's fair warning but it is just surprising that sometimes certains clans seem to clump together on the servers that are supposedly ATB.

Now there is a dilema in what you are saying. Some admins seem to be conflicted. By definition you must be if you use your access authority level to bump some player so that you can play. Or is this a perk of the job. And where do the perks end?

But again - this thread was not started to dig at admins. It was rather aimed at whether some players are more equal than others. Perhaps, as it is unravelling some mud is splattering.
 
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