'Are we having fun?'

Yeah, it makes me depressed as well. Am so tired of reading about farm murders, women getting raped, people assaulted in their homes, people getting killed for a cellphone, etc - it's rather depressing.

I sincerely hope Tokyo Seqwale becomes our next president, it's our only hope of saving this country. Jacob Zuma is another Robert Mugabe in training and with the ANC youth league as his cronies.... heaven forbid.
 
They couldn't mention how the people were ashamed when they were caught, because they weren't. The criminals pled not guilty. Clearly they believe that they can get away with it, compounding the arrogance of committing these crimes without even covering their faces. Highlighting just how little respect criminals have for the justice system. Do you consider this irrelevant?

Also, don't trust the 'most criminals are known' statistic. That one is a gem, based on cases solved and prosecuted. It's harder to find criminals who have no connection to the victim, and the SAP have a dismal rate of arrest in such cases, much less conviction. After being mugged a few times, beaten up and held up, and listening to friends' stories, I can honestly say that it has never been my experience that more violent crime is committed by people known to the victims. I trust that more than the SAPS' spin.

Fifty south africans die every day at the hands of others. We see one or two stories, and you complain? Hundreds - literally hundreds - of south africans are raped every day, many of them gang-raped in similar fashion. And it's a problem for you to see a story every now and then? These are stories of lives ended or torn asunder. There's nothing in the world that can ruin a life like rape. Every story is emotional and heartrending. This isn't sensationalism, it's telling the story the way it is.

To all the others talking about how terrible it is here... well, if it was that bad, you'd be leaving. Yes, articles like this are neccessary to keep the awareness of such heinous crimes fresh in the public's mind. Doesn't mean that others won't find it uncomfortable. I don't see anywhere where it was suggested that the media be curtailed in their freedom to decide on how to report a story. This is a matter of opinion, not suppression.
 
To all the others talking about how terrible it is here... well, if it was that bad, you'd be leaving. Yes, articles like this are neccessary to keep the awareness of such heinous crimes fresh in the public's mind. Doesn't mean that others won't find it uncomfortable. I don't see anywhere where it was suggested that the media be curtailed in their freedom to decide on how to report a story. This is a matter of opinion, not suppression.

What if you cannot leave?

I tried to apply for a UK work visa, but unfortunately the UK want at degree as minimum, my National Diploma : IT from the Cape Technikon does not qualify. :sick:
 
Move to NZ. Though you're correct... It's expensive to move overseas, and that's a major limiting factor. :(
 
Society in South Africa is sick, very sick!

The opinions offered here are just symptomatic of this, the attempt at denying the reality, to the aggression and steps taken.

I definitely believe it is extremely important that articles such as this be published, in contrast to AdLo. This gives us the opportunity to actually defend and fight against this disease.

Reading this, I thought back to my last trip to Geneva. I walked past the lake at midnight. Tall trees and lot of shadows. Also taking her doggy for a walk was an old lady, ~ 70 to 80, carrying a little plastic bag :)

Now try that in South Africa! We have indeed become prisoners to our democracy where we have to lock ourselves up, put up higher fences, get more/bigger dogs. That is called survival.

I tell you now. If anyone did that to me, no matter if they are black, white, indian or whatever. I would hunt them down and kill them myself. I don't care if I then get the death sentence, because frankly, dying a fast death is better than dying of AIDS.

I would help you. If the system fails us ...
 
Move to NZ. Though you're correct... It's expensive to move overseas, and that's a major limiting factor. :(

NZ is easier to get into than most people think. South Africans can just arrive here on there SA passports and will get issued with a 3 month visitors visa on arrival. As long as you can show you have enough money to support yourself for 3 months you wont have a problem getting in.

Once you in, you have 3 months to find a job and once you have a job you can have a work visa/permit in about 2 weeks. If you in IT, you will probably have a few job offers to choose from in a very short time.

It is expensive if you are coming in with your rands, but its cheaper today than it will be tomorrow, remember that.

Once you have your citizenship in NZ, you can go to AUS. No degree, but there are too many aussies there for me
 
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It's just sad to see this beautiful country going down the toilet.

I know, i struggle with that thought every day, but the bottom line is there is not much you or I can do about it. Ask yourself this, where do you want to be when it goes down the toilet?
 
What about family? What if all your family is in SA? We shouldn't be put in the position to have to decide between our family and our safety. :mad::(

It makes me very angry that we are being forced out of the country to protect our families.

What about the rest of your family. Its difficult, I am presuming you do not have children of your own? But your new little family and there safety becomes the single most important thing in your life once you have one, they are not safe in SA. I just did not want to be stuck in SA, then regret the consequences later because somebody in my new family became a statistic. I would never be able to live with myself if something happened to one of them and I had the option to get out earlier.

Its very hard leaving your own parents, and the rest of the family and you really stuck in a catch 22, at the end of the day each individual needs to make there own mind based on his/her own circumstances.
 
NZ is easier to get into than most people think. South Africans can just arrive here on there SA passports and will get issued with a 3 month visitors visa on arrival. As long as you can show you have enough money to support yourself for 3 months you wont have a problem getting in.

Once you in, you have 3 months to find a job and once you have a job you can have a work visa/permit in about 2 weeks. If you in IT, you will probably have a few job offers to choose from in a very short time.

It is expensive if you are coming in with your rands, but its cheaper today than it will be tomorrow, remember that.

Once you have your citizenship in NZ, you can go to AUS. No degree, but there are too many aussies there for me

Have a BIL in NZ, he entered using above method. I heard that process above have been stopped, can you confirm this. PM me!
 
They couldn't mention how the people were ashamed when they were caught, because they weren't. The criminals pled not guilty.
You did mean pleaded right?
Clearly they believe that they can get away with it, compounding the arrogance of committing these crimes without even covering their faces.
Or they simply don't care? It's not about their being able to get away with this crime that drives them to do it - it is purely about the selfish power experienced during committing such crimes.
Highlighting just how little respect criminals have for the justice system. Do you consider this irrelevant?
The justice system is broken - it's not about respect for the system, it's simply the justice system cannot work in its current form. The criminals are not going around committing crimes because they are trying to pay disrespect to the justice system - they are committing crimes for their sole benefit.
Also, don't trust the 'most criminals are known' statistic.
Consider these facts then: the majority of child molestation cases in any country involves people known to the child. Most of the researchable crimes involving murder are related to family or relationship difficulties, and in many cases entire families are wiped out by family members. The recent spate of high profile cases where spouses paid for their partners' murders (or even their partners' babies!) are also indication that the statistic is not so far fetched.
That one is a gem, based on cases solved and prosecuted.
Well, technically that is the only benchmark one can use, isn't it?
It's harder to find criminals who have no connection to the victim, and the SAP have a dismal rate of arrest in such cases, much less conviction.
I agree with you here, though I would also suggest that the average crime solving skills of the SAPS is nowhere near the wily technical knowledge of the lawyers representing the victims and easily having cases dismissed on technicalities.
After being mugged a few times, beaten up and held up, and listening to friends' stories, I can honestly say that it has never been my experience that more violent crime is committed by people known to the victims.
Your personal experience is a benchmark of your opinion only
I trust that more than the SAPS' spin.
I believe the SAPS are under reporting crimes significantly, however the stats they do make available is not necessarily incorrect regarding demographics.
Fifty south africans die every day at the hands of others. We see one or two stories, and you complain? Hundreds - literally hundreds - of south africans are raped every day, many of them gang-raped in similar fashion. And it's a problem for you to see a story every now and then? These are stories of lives ended or torn asunder. There's nothing in the world that can ruin a life like rape. Every story is emotional and heartrending. This isn't sensationalism, it's telling the story the way it is.
I don't believe any publication in this country or any other for that matter can truly tell a story like it is.
To all the others talking about how terrible it is here... well, if it was that bad, you'd be leaving.
Why must people leave? Surely leaving is not as acceptable a solution as sorting out the problem?
Yes, articles like this are neccessary to keep the awareness of such heinous crimes fresh in the public's mind.
It's not about keeping it in people's mind - it's about reporting and journalism and business.
Doesn't mean that others won't find it uncomfortable. I don't see anywhere where it was suggested that the media be curtailed in their freedom to decide on how to report a story. This is a matter of opinion, not suppression.
And your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's - the difference is that this particular forumite almost made light of a tragic and heinous event.
 
I have my day coming?

Sorry! I deleted the post, misread your tone. Not sure who you was refering to here
the difference is that this particular forumite almost made light of a tragic and heinous event.

Every South African have his day coming, if you are lucky you will escape but the odds is against it.
 
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