Are your mobile calls private?

PeterCH said:
256 bit or even 128 bit AES encryption. It would take every single computer on planet earth till the end of the universe to crack that.

To mess with the IRI you connect via a proxy in a different country, free or paid. Some services would not release information to SA law enforcement no matter what - only from local courts.
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The encryption I can agree with but how many people really implement it or are even aware of how to successfully encrypt the IP packets and then at best it will be end to end because the answering pc will have to be able to deal with the encrypted information.
How ever even if you want to connect to a proxy in a different country you are still in SA and you still connect through the availible providers whether it be through Satellite or Cable. When a interception system is built they don't just hook op to one or two E1's they hook up to all availible links that go into our out of the country and a satellite connection is in essence multiple E1's that are multiplexed with WDM Equipment. IRI is something that unfortunately that can't be messed with because when the call is made somehow it has to be routed to it's final desitnation so at some point it will have to say " I wanna go here" and bang dialing and dialed number is captured.
 
I have seen (and used) a passive interceptor demo'ed to MI, Scorpions, Police and a few other agencies in Pretoria. The device takes a few seconds to "crack" A5/1 GSM encryption and A5/2 in real time. The system also intercepts SMS's, primary and secondary DTMFs. And best of all it looks like a normal IBM laptop. The guy sitting next to you in the coffee shop could be watching your cellphone banking pin being typed up on his screen in plain text. He also has all your SIM details which means he can clone your SIM and even your IEMI number in a matter of minutes. Hey where did all my money go!

NOTHING is secure. And with the right equipment who needs a judge! Just google passive cellular interceptor. Go on I dare you!!

Enjoy using your cell phones people! :D
 
Lazy said:
Have a look at this article, the point is, it still happens. With enough motivation anyone can do it (or make it happen in some way shape or form)

Murdoch's dirty tricks uncovered
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Ever heard of Kevin Mitnick? Most of his "hacking/cracking" came from very, very good social skills into fooling people to give him what he wanted. There was no 3D mainframe spinning Unix god user name that he used to hack telephone companies.

Information sharing and fooling people that was careless to enforce security on them selves.

Those n00bs could have easily left their cellphones on a table, and the private-eye could take a laptop, plug in with cable or use bluetooth, use the appropriate software from the vendor to connect and download, synchronize messages/address book.

Encryption just prevents another form. Vendors will tell users: We provide you with a code to lock your phone. User is too lazy to use, switch off security...

Who needs to save us from our selves? :(
 
RICA

If the "Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related Information Act (RICA)" makes it legal for somebody - namely, certain individual government employees, to sniff anybodies phone anytime, just by knowing your name and number, would you feel safe?
 
Katyusha said:
If the "Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related Information Act (RICA)" makes it legal for somebody - namely, certain individual government employees, to sniff anybodies phone anytime, just by knowing your name and number, would you feel safe?
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Well in that case you should be scared because systems running independant from the ones the providers have or must implement for the rica act have been in existence for quite some time.
 
We had FICA (confirming your details with the Banks) now RICA, whats next . Why do we not have a Central Body where Banks, Cellular providers can get your personal details, but that will be open to Abuse.

Transunion can fulfill that role as they are doing it currently
 
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kilos said:
We had FICA (confirming your details with the Banks)
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For those who like me have issues with identity theft:-


1) An accountable institution may not establish a business relationship or conclude a single transaction with a client unless the accountable institution has taken the prescribed steps-
a) to establish and verify the identity of the client;
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You are only obliged to show them your id book to verify your identity.
Nowhere does it state the bank may make a copy of your ID and file it.

And so it is with RICA as well.
 
How nice, a whole new market opens up for cold calling as well.
(CellC might actually stop phoning my cellnumber so often, which they claim they got from the "National Database" whatever the hell that is)
These "barstewards" will sell off and buy any database they can get their hands on and it looks like that database is about to bloat like a dead whale.
Im hoping my number will only come up every 6 months now on their automated predictive dialler. They can now get busy trying to sell some contracts to 29 000 000 newly discoverd prepaid potentials............what fun. :)

Something they havent thought about is Cellular LCR.....where one sim card is used many times a day, by different people, to make calls?? LOL!!
What about GSM public payphones?? DuH?

So the criminal minds will simply find a way around it. It all sounds like Bull to me.
I knew a guy that was shot in the head while mowing his front lawn, the police havent figured out how to open up a case and give it a number yet, nevermind try and figure out who dunnit by tracking cellphone calls. Now we are expected to believe they are going to use this massive database and info and step up their game????
*Pfft Nommer asseblief !!
 
Encryptin ILLEGAL

rwtpl said:
The encryption I can agree with but how many people really implement it or are even aware of how to successfully encrypt the IP packets and then at best it will be end to end because the answering pc will have to be able to deal with the encrypted information.
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You sound like someone that knows something about this stuff :confused:

My reading of the bill / act tells me that any form of encryption is ILLEGAL and faces the same penalties for all the other things that you are meant to do -- and NOT do.

Check it out


MW
 
chubster said:
Ever heard of Kevin Mitnick? Most of his "hacking/cracking" came from very, very good social skills into fooling people to give him what he wanted. There was no 3D mainframe spinning Unix god user name that he used to hack telephone companies.

Information sharing and fooling people that was careless to enforce security on them selves.

Those n00bs could have easily left their cellphones on a table, and the private-eye could take a laptop, plug in with cable or use bluetooth, use the appropriate software from the vendor to connect and download, synchronize messages/address book.

Encryption just prevents another form. Vendors will tell users: We provide you with a code to lock your phone. User is too lazy to use, switch off security...

Who needs to save us from our selves? :(
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+1

I wonder what happened to all those 'Free Kevin' T-Shirts, hehe.
 
MadMailMan said:
I have seen (and used) a passive interceptor demo'ed to MI, Scorpions, Police and a few other agencies in Pretoria. The device takes a few seconds to "crack" A5/1 GSM encryption and A5/2 in real time. The system also intercepts SMS's, primary and secondary DTMFs. And best of all it looks like a normal IBM laptop. The guy sitting next to you in the coffee shop could be watching your cellphone banking pin being typed up on his screen in plain text. He also has all your SIM details which means he can clone your SIM and even your IEMI number in a matter of minutes. Hey where did all my money go!

NOTHING is secure. And with the right equipment who needs a judge! Just google passive cellular interceptor. Go on I dare you!!

Enjoy using your cell phones people! :D
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Assuming A5/0 is not used in the first place, in which case it's not encrypted at all...
 
all i want is to be able to send encrypted sms mms for free. there are loads of programs out there all cost a lot. it encrypts anything on the phone even voice.
 
MidnightWizard said:
You sound like someone that knows something about this stuff :confused:

MW
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Unfortunately to much. Currently passive surveilance equipment can successfully intercept Voice Calls, Data Sessions, Fax, Sms, Gsm and even the roaming number that can be associated to a cellphone number even the IMEI number of the phone. New technologies that are being introduced are the likes such as Voice and Gender and speach recognition. So even if you make a call on a sim once and swop it out or make a call from another phone the system will have the ability to pick you up and out of a crowd where ever you phone from even if you speak different languages or to mask your voice.

The problem with technologies like these are is its implementation and the expense of it and the technical know how and the law's that govern the country. Alot of those systems already exist in South Africa but the lack of those systems to process the amount of E1's that are availible. Then you still have to look at sattelite interception that also happens and there are application out there that can open the sattelite stream as if you were watching a video......

It is scary how we yearn for better technology but how we fight the implementation of it for a better cause. Technology does not have a weak point it is the people that use it.
 
They will never be happy untill they can control you and disrospect your privacy such as to look at your bank account, force you to watch and pay for a service you do not want SABC TV and have the banks report on you or cctv cameres looking into your homes instead of using it to curb crime and now to listen in on your conversations so as nothing you posses is private. Comunism point blank, to support the one world order to come.
 
Corrupt officials now have more system they can use to fake and plant evidence with in order to frame people.
 
antowan said:
I see you can buy tap proof SIM CARDS for about R25000...
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if such a thing exist, it would be illegal, how would it work? you would be pretending you are someone else im, and phone number
 
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