Article: Israel attacks barbaric: ANC

A Complicated and LOOOOoooooong story, now over-simplified and shortened by whole lot:

1)Israel started shooting back after the Palestinians shot rockets at them...
2)...because Palestinian-Gaza is completely boxed in (land, air, water) by Israel,...
3)...because the Palestinians previously shot rockets at Israel...
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40)...because Israel took all of Jerusalem...
41)...after Palestine&Friends attacked Israel (and lost the fight, 1967)...
...)
50)...after Israel divided Jerusalem and countryside just like Israel wanted too, instead of sharing it equally...
...)
60)...because Palestinians&Friends attacked Israel (and lost the fight, 1948)...
61)...while everyone was discussing dividing up the area equally into Palestine, Israel and an international Jerusalem...
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700)...because they both actually lived there for a really long time, saw a couple of burning bushes and just don't like each other because neither can remember precisely where... (allot of Jews did leave around 100AD and later came back in during the 20th century).
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8000)...because everybody at one point in time marked their tree and now feel that area is theirs instead of recognizing each other as brothers and countrymen.

Personally I think its the extremist element on both Israeli AND Palestinian sides that is causing all the drama, and that most of the people on both sides would rather prefer to just live, love, grow old and be happy.


So much objective distance and logic in an over-simplified argument, how could this possibly be a thread about the I/P conflict on a forum with so much false dichtomic arguing?

Sarcasm aside, I'd actually like to hear a well reasoned argument for why Israel is claimed to have stolen land being the source of all of this and why Israel's establishment is such a sore thumb on the ego of its Arab neighbours with the whole spectrum from elect goverments, primary school teachers and nutcase mullah's seeking from removal to the genocide of these jews?

As far as I can tell, nationalistic aspirations were pursued by both some Arab tribes (following servitude under turkish ottoman rule) as well as Jews in the area (with increasing immigration especially post holocaust and again after neighbouring arab states relocated jews). The arabs started an armed uprising against jews, especially new arrivals and the civil strife led Britain to divide the warring groups similarly to India/Pakistan.
 
Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

If after sixty years my old home land has been taken away and resistance was futile, I think I would stop bitching about the past and move on. Or you could live a crap life and resist for the rest of time. Your choice.

But obviously that would be giving up. Oh no, religious indoctrination doesn't know the meaning of giving up. Here take this bomb and blow up the enemy.

What you need to understand is that the Palestinians are fighting a proxy war on behalf of a number of middle east countries who are too chicken to take on the IDF themselves.
 
Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

Wasn't that Vaas?
 
So much objective distance and logic in an over-simplified argument, how could this possibly be a thread about the I/P conflict on a forum with so much false dichtomic arguing?

Sarcasm aside, I'd actually like to hear a well reasoned argument for why Israel is claimed to have stolen land being the source of all of this and why Israel's establishment is such a sore thumb on the ego of its Arab neighbours with the whole spectrum from elect goverments, primary school teachers and nutcase mullah's seeking from removal to the genocide of these jews?

As far as I can tell, nationalistic aspirations were pursued by both some Arab tribes (following servitude under turkish ottoman rule) as well as Jews in the area (with increasing immigration especially post holocaust and again after neighbouring arab states relocated jews). The arabs started an armed uprising against jews, especially new arrivals and the civil strife led Britain to divide the warring groups similarly to India/Pakistan.

http://www.cfr.org/israel/crisis-guide-israeli-palestinian-conflict/p13850

Good source of info as was posted by no other than Timber_MG :D

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...the-moment?p=13121939&viewfull=1#post13121939
 
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So the ANC/Govt have decided to send Aziz Pahad to Gaza as their [-]human shield[/-] envoy.

Who better to advise Hamas on how to put up a facade of moderation to gain more credibility in the west than from the grandmasters in the art of duplicity that is the ANC
 
So the ANC/Govt have decided to send Aziz Pahad to Gaza as their [-]human shield[/-] envoy.

Just wondering if the ANC/Govt will be sending a similar envoy to Russia to stop the fighting in the Ukraine?
 
Didn't the last bunch who went to the Middle East come running back with their tails between their legs when the first shot went off?
 
Didn't the last bunch who went to the Middle East come running back with their tails between their legs when the first shot went off?

IIRC those were the human shields who went off to Iraq to 'protect civilians' and ended up at refineries and government/military installations?
 
Why don't you find it shameful that Palestinians (seeing that we're generalizing) attempt to murder Israelis everyday and that they're quite happy to push their children in the path of bombs?

Why is 60 years ago (or 66) so important? Why not 2500 years ago? Or 5 years ago? There wasn't a Palestine 60 years ago.
Palestinians are happy to push their children into the paths of bombs ?

You obviously don't have the Nobel peace prize on top of your "to do" list this year.
 
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