Article: Racism still alive: Mujati

[MickeyD]

White people in general must remember that just because they were forgiven, where they come from hasn't been forgotten. 200 years of oppression doesn't change in 20 neither for the oppressed nor the oppressor (active or passive)

That's a very naïve opinion. I could argue that black on black oppression has been far more violent than what you could possibly believe.

 

[JungleBoy]

Blacks are often referred to as monkeys/baboons as a reference to the belief that they are an inferior race or subhuman or lower on the evolutionary chain.

Have often heard this term being exclusively applied by Afrikaners on black people, with no doubt about the implication or intention.

White people in general must remember that just because they were forgiven, where they come from hasn't been forgotten. 200 years of oppression doesn't change in 20 neither for the oppressed nor the oppressor (active or passive)


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Yep. People who started oppression, racial slurs and are very quick to point out to the victims that they must just get over it. But the same people get very upset if Malema calls them thieves who stole the land. So as long as there are those who insist on using racial slurs against black people, there is always going to be black people like Malema who will retaliate by calling you whites thieves that stole our land. You better get over it as well. Anyway, you know you are not a thief so why must you get upset?

 

[Fader4]

Dont worry folks, we all know white racism is a myth (only Malema and the anc are capable of racism after all), oh and apartheid never happened either since NO ONE voted for the nats

 

[MickeyD]

Dont worry folks, we all know white racism is a myth (only Malema and the anc are capable of racism after all), oh and apartheid never happened either since NO ONE voted for the nats.

Seen the front page of the Sunday Times? It's sickening.

 

[zippy]

Racism will never disappear. Just as fraud, murder etc., will never disappear. It's rather pathetic and naive to think it can be eradicated.

The problem in SA(and other parts of the world) is that it's considered normal behaviour by too many. Some believe they have a right to be racist. What they don't realise(or they do and just don't care) is that it cuts both ways, and they put not only themselves at risk, but they place their families in danger and also condemn their grandchildren and their offspring to a life of fear and conflict with little or no sympathy from the rest of the world.

The argument that "I'm racist because of Malema or farm murders" is an argument by someone who is ignorant. That person is not a racist because "Malema and farm murders" That person is feeding off Malema and farm murder victims to justify their own racism. Just as Malema is a racist who is feeding off the ignorant White racists.

 

[krycor]

Blacks are often referred to as monkeys/baboons as a reference to the belief that they are an inferior race or subhuman or lower on the evolutionary chain.
Have often heard this term being exclusively applied by Afrikaners on black people, with no doubt about the implication or intention.

Exactly, but i disagree with it being exclusively used by Afrikaners. And unless the person has openly called other people baboons(i.e. not just strictly based on race) this is easily thought to be a racist remark as it was one of many used.

I'm sorry but i find it hilarious when people who have these entrenched racial slurs, let it come out without the person thinking because if the person had questionable intentions they inevitably try and defend or pass it off as normal behavior. What i hate currently is that this is happening in cpt a LOT more than previously and i dunno why. I mean are people from jhb all coming here or something?

 

[Vrotappel]

Racism is constitutionalized in SA. Obviously it will stay alive.

 

[Vrotappel]

Blacks are often referred to as monkeys/baboons as a reference to the belief that they are an inferior race or subhuman or lower on the evolutionary chain.

Have often heard this term being exclusively applied by Afrikaners on black people, with no doubt about the implication or intention.

White people in general must remember that just because they were forgiven, where they come from hasn't been forgotten. 200 years of oppression doesn't change in 20 neither for the oppressed nor the oppressor (active or passive)


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Nonsense. Spread you Afrikaner hate somewhere else.

 

[krycor]

I think as South afrikaans we need accept you cannot change an old person's habit easily. So when I hear someone old i.e. > 50-60 presently make a remark which is racially charged but not in an spiteful manner i accept that they do not mean to be racist. But by the same token I have zero tolerance for anyone younger especially people under 35. Politicians, press and media personalities etc need to learn to control themselves though as that's part of their job.

 

[Eyenstyn]

Racism is not a logical argument, it's an emotional one.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the George Bush monkey analogy and thank you naddim for explaining the evolutionary context.

If a black person were to refer to a white person as "Hitler", I am sure that person would take offense unless they really are racist. So by calling a black person a baboon, it's hardly playground bullying when you understand the insinuations of the word.

 

[Positively Negative]

Racism is still strong in this country. I'm sorry but my father's generation and almost ALLLLLLLLLLL of his friends are racist to a certain extent.
There is a phrase I would love to post but it's not allowed.
The way they talk about politics and such...always involve race . It's sad because I am in a different generation and can happily say I'm not a racist.

Racism will never die.anyone who thinks it can is simply delusional.I could give so many examples of thriving racism, black vs white,white vs black...but it's pointless.

 

[ponder]

You can call me (or my mother if you want) anything you like and it will be like water off a ducks back, I simply don't give a fsck. Being offended by something is a choice and choosing to do so will just get you down.

 

[VioAdmin]

Yep. People who started oppression, racial slurs and are very quick to point out to the victims that they must just get over it. But the same people get very upset if Malema calls them thieves who stole the land. So as long as there are those who insist on using racial slurs against black people, there is always going to be black people like Malema who will retaliate by calling you whites thieves that stole our land. You better get over it as well. Anyway, you know you are not a thief so why must you get upset?

+1

 

[opinionhated]

As tutu has said people, especially the former oppressors need to have empathy with the situation of the the disenfranchised and the circumstances that have led them here.

Non racialism begins with concessions of the haves, if this doesn't happen voluntarily, it is inevitable that society's have-nots, will demand more drastic measures, already seen through the opportunistic rhetoric of Malema, and the situation in Zimbabwe.

If you're not willing to take an empathetic view, then you might as well get the emigration process started, coz SA is not going to be a very friendly place for you or any of us.

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[WilD_CaT]

Yep. People who started oppression, racial slurs and are very quick to point out to the victims that they must just get over it. But the same people get very upset if Malema calls them thieves who stole the land. So as long as there are those who insist on using racial slurs against black people, there is always going to be black people like Malema who will retaliate by calling you whites thieves that stole our land. You better get over it as well. Anyway, you know you are not a thief so why must you get upset?

Firstly, by "people" you mean whites. Which is racist.
Racism begets racism. If you are racist to others, they will resent you for it. I.E. BEE and Affirmative Action policies breed resentment. It has been demonstrated in our apartheid past and in many many countries world wide.

I don't know which is the best way to deal with this problem. Ignore it, like you say and hopefully it will die, or should be open about this and not be afraid to say things without being labelled a racist. I think people from both races need to have a bit of courage to speek up and say the truth and not fear being labelled a racist.

But thats me.

Oh and since race often comes up here, I once again refer people to videos on Youtube of Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.

Here is also a book Walter Williams published about apartheid South Africa on the CATO institutes website.... http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/south_africa/index.html

 

[Flanders]

Blacks are often referred to as monkeys/baboons as a reference to the belief that they are an inferior race or subhuman or lower on the evolutionary chain.

Have often heard this term being exclusively applied by Afrikaners on black people, with no doubt about the implication or intention.

White people in general must remember that just because they were forgiven, where they come from hasn't been forgotten. 200 years of oppression doesn't change in 20 neither for the oppressed nor the oppressor (active or passive)

Yawn...200 years of blah blah blah...Oh, and whites have been forgiven? Pffft...could've fooled me!

Yep. People who started oppression, racial slurs and are very quick to point out to the victims that they must just get over it. But the same people get very upset if Malema calls them thieves who stole the land. So as long as there are those who insist on using racial slurs against black people, there is always going to be black people like Malema who will retaliate by calling you whites thieves that stole our land. You better get over it as well. Anyway, you know you are not a thief so why must you get upset?

This is laughable.

There's a big difference between being called a thief and being called a thief and for it, we're going to come and **** you up and take everything you own. Biiiiig difference! If it were a case of the fatboy simply accusing whites of being thieves and that's where it ended, there'd be a retalliatory chirp here and there but without the attached threats, white people on the whole would largely ignore the fool. It's the threats that get people upset, pal. And the fact that nothing ever gets done about them!

Oh, and PS: claiming that white people started oppression is ludicrous. Blacks had their very own brand of oppression long before whites ever dreamed of coming to this continent. Had blacks had the capability of oppressing whites they sure as hell would've. Oh wait...look at southern Africa now...

 

[SmartKit]

It's still hate speech or should people get over that too?

I don't believe Ireland has hate speech laws. So technically it's just a very legal insult.

 

[S7wede]

Blacks were denied education by white oppressors, that's why they aren't familiar with their own history.

They whites stole the black schools and universities when the got here.

Woah, woah woah woah! Let me make this one point nice and clear. The Bantu tribes that inhabited South Africa had NO formal education system. There were NO schools, NO universities and no basic understanding of science. South Africa was in the bronze age of human developement. Tradition and oral understanding is what was passed from parent to child.

 

[JungleBoy]

Woah, woah woah woah! Let me make this one point nice and clear. The Bantu tribes that inhabited South Africa had NO formal education system. There were NO schools, NO universities and no basic understanding of science. South Africa was in the bronze age of human developement. Tradition and oral understanding is what was passed from parent to child.

Actually the Bantu tribes had long been in the Iron Age by the time the Europeans got here. If you are going to refer to history, at least make sure that it's accurate.

Inhabitants at Termit, in eastern Niger became the first iron smelting people in West Africa and among the first in the world around 1500 BC.[40] Iron and copper working then continued to spread southward through the continent, reaching the Cape around AD 200.[41] The widespread use of iron revolutionized the Bantu-speaking farming communities who adopted it, driving out and absorbing the rock tool using hunter-gatherer societies they encountered as they expanded to farm wider areas of savannah. The technologically superior Bantu-speakers spread across southern Africa and became wealthy and powerful, producing iron for tools and weapons in large, industrial quantities.

Wiki

 

[S7wede]

Semantics. The crux of the argument was that the white Settlers instilled education into South Africa. They did not steal it from anyone. Also after scrutinizing your link, it becomes apparent that they were indeed in the bronze age before they arrived, and finally escalated into the iron age shortly after trading the tools with the newly arrived settlers.