Article: Soweto looting not xenophobic: MEC

R13... said:
Well not the spark but the ongoing destruction (which is actually country wide) looks suspiciously like jealous local business men. I know an area where 6 shops were simply torched overnight, nothing taken and no prior looting or anything. If you listen to callers into talk radio you will notice there's a hint of more than just opportunistic looting here. Sure the looters are taking an opportunity to help themselves but someone(s) is/are working behind the scenes.
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Yeah, and they're quite coordinated from the sounds of it. Like they wait for the police to secure one area then they move immediately to a vulnerable area. Doesn't sound like mindless looting.
 
kianm said:
Started as a xenophobic attack which has now escalated into criminal acts.
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Xenophobia goes hand in hand with crime, the crimes are related to xenophobia. As I previously mentioned, xenophobia is being ignored in SA as it is a clear indication that there is ingroups vs. outgroups. Xenophobia is applicable to all the cultures in SA. To quote the Diepsloot looting and service delivery case in 2013:

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-05-28-diepsloot-crime-xenophobia-or-both

Diepsloot: Crime, xenophobia - or both?

As Diepsloot remains tense following a night of looting, experts have accused the government and police of fudging the issue of xenophobia.

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History of xenophobic violence

It might be almost five years since a wave of xenophobic attacks on foreign nationals around the country left more than 50 people dead, but there are suggestions the violence could erupt again.

Government has, however, made it clear that it does not identify the incidents as strictly xenophobic in nature.

"Holistically speaking, South Africans are not xenophobic and many cases are merely crime," Zweli Mnisi, police spokesperson said.

"We cannot conflate this issue and we commonly see this as Afrophobia that is underpinned by criminality."

Mnisi claimed the areas' problems are attributable to on-going socioeconomic problems in many communities, in which foreign residents are caught in the crossfire.

"When we see children looting shops and people robbing people of their goods it is to us a blatant sign of crime that is being excused as xenophobia."

Mnisi added that government is working with residents to bring the situation under control.

"For as long as people are dying we can't be seen to be doing enough," he said.

"We are currently doing our best using a multi-pronged approach with communities to address these problems countrywide."
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This article, http://www.iom.int/cms/en/sites/iom...er-2012/the-effects-of-xenophobia-on-the.html, is a good read on Xenophobia. Also this, http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...-behind-sas-xenophobic-violence/#.VMH4J9XLehw

I'm also quite certain that the violence outbreaks during apartheid in relation to necklacing, murders etc. was mostly related to Xenophobia than apartheid government conspirators.
 
Heard a caller on 702 this morning admitting he looted because it was opportunistic.
 
Seriously said:
Explain then why ONLY foreigner shops and not so much locals? Any excuse other than reality only suss the mind. ;)
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Simple, because they are soft targets.

Update from news24.com
Looting appears to have spread to non-foreign owned shops now.
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So it is not xenophobia, necessarily, but a bunch of mobs taking advantage of the situation.
 
ngwe23 said:
Simple, because they are soft targets.

Update from news24.com


So it is not xenophobia, necessarily, but a bunch of mobs taking advantage of the situation.
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What is the difference between foreign owned shops and local owned shops. How do you get to "soft" targets? A criminal was killed that led to this so I would call that shop owner a hard target!

Yeah most of it is opportunistic savagery but the core remains Xenophobia as mostly foreigners are attacked to be driven out of Soweto and other places. The rinse and repeat affair since long ago.
 
ngwe23 said:
Simple, because they are soft targets.

Update from news24.com


So it is not xenophobia, necessarily, but a bunch of mobs taking advantage of the situation.
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It started with xenophobia, public violence, the victims are now being dispersed, where plundering resumed. The community is now in disarray, allowing the looters (mobs) the opportunity to openly take advantage as you had stated.
 
Seriously said:
What is the difference between foreign owned shops and local owned shops. How do you get to "soft" targets? A criminal was killed that led to this so I would call that shop owner a hard target!

Yeah most of it is opportunistic savagery but the core remains Xenophobia as mostly foreigners are attacked to be driven out of Soweto and other places. The rinse and repeat affair since long ago.
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You are incoherent and not making sense. By 'soft targets' I mean that the are generally more vulnerable than the locals. They are in a foreign land surrounded by a sea of people that are different and talk different language to them. Don't believe I have to explain this, really?
 
ngwe23 said:
You are incoherent and not making sense. By 'soft targets' I mean that the are generally more vulnerable than the locals. They are in a foreign land surrounded by a sea of people that are different and talk different language to them. Don't believe I have to explain this, really?
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Yeah not many are skilled enough to comprehend what I say. ;)
 
Seriously said:
What is the difference between foreign owned shops and local owned shops. How do you get to "soft" targets? A criminal was killed that led to this so I would call that shop owner a hard target!

Yeah most of it is opportunistic savagery but the core remains Xenophobia as mostly foreigners are attacked to be driven out of Soweto and other places. The rinse and repeat affair since long ago.
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Score Board

Foreigner: 1
Locals: 1000

Unless the foreigner is the Hulk or is driving a fsucking Tank I'd call him a soft target.
 
It's no xenophobia it's culture and from the teachings of their leaders.
 
gregmcc said:
Well...ok then :confused:
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Well if the foreigner run shops are the only ones worth stealing from, it would mean that the attacks are not xenophobic. This implies that local people can't compete with these ingenious foreigners and their supply chains and huge money supplies... Is this the case?
 
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