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Article: Take back land without paying: Malema
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South Africans must take back the land that belongs to them without having to pay for it, ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema said in Cape Town on Tuesday. "Willing buyer, willing seller is not an alternative... The alternative from the youth league is that we take the land without paying. That is what we are proposing," he told the league's provincial council at the University of the Western Cape.
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Picard
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How are white people suppose to respond to this?
Modern economics is clearly beyond his grasp. Yet modern politics make economics useless or at least dismissable in a global context.
Modern economics is clearly beyond his grasp. Yet modern politics make economics useless or at least dismissable in a global context.
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copacetic
King of the Hippies
bekdik
Honorary Master
Why stop at mines and farms?
I think he should nationalise all companies with a turnover greater than R10 million, appoint himself and his cadres to the boards and pay out 100% dividends.
Or maybe that's only what overseas investors are going to start believing?
I think he should nationalise all companies with a turnover greater than R10 million, appoint himself and his cadres to the boards and pay out 100% dividends.
Or maybe that's only what overseas investors are going to start believing?
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Picard
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The Khoisan who now and again shot the odd duiker or steenbok in the past can now come back and claim a rich Anglo American winefarm and claim the riches that will spoil them into oblivion. Do they deserve this????
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
In a way I'd love to be at one of these rally's and be safe enough to stand up and challenge this numbskull.
MyWorld
Executive Member
His statement was more in jest, the San was the original inhabitants of Southern Africa, so no Zulu or Xhosa or any other tribe has any right to any land claims above them.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Translation: "just steal what you want and kill the people who live there"
Hmmm, seems I've heard that somewhere before?....
Hmmm, seems I've heard that somewhere before?....
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Sure.... Def be safe if I got up on the stage and challenged this numbskull......
You could take out the entire ANCYL leadership by pissing them off enough they draw their side arms to shut you up
Do Malema, Zuma and the ANC corrupt fat [-]cats [/-]thieves deserve it?
You could take out the entire ANCYL leadership by pissing them off enough they draw their side arms to shut you up
Alan, you crack me up! I am crying.
This comes from a comment on News 24 site.
Please explain the term “PREVIOUSLY DISADVANTAGED”.
Kindly make special reference to following:
1. Who “disadvantaged” the ‘black’ people of the interior Southern Africa before the (supposed) belligerent ‘white’ settlers moved inland in the mid 19th century..? As certainly, what the ‘settlers’ found was not a hugely advanced infrastructure-, deep mines-, airports-, vast libraries of written works-, grandiose institutions of learning-, etc. No, as little as 170 years ago they found masses of black people (indigenous to the Southern tip of Africa ) living on the fringes of the stone age. Beings in skins, wielding sticks, living primitive dwellings, dragging- and carrying things around, who had not even invented the wheel yet.
2. Ethiopia – a country that was NEVER colonised. Today one of the most desolate places on the planet - who “disadvantaged” the people of Ethiopia ..?
3. Put Zimbabwe and Germany next to each other and please explain the differences. In 1945 Germany was (for all intents and purposes) flattened to ground and torn in half. Fifteen years later, West Germany was described as an “Economic Wonder”. Around the same time as the end of Apartheid , Germany was re-unified. It yanked the (unified) Germany back four centuries in time. Yet, in (around) fifteen years (for the second time a few decades) it built an ‘economic wonder’ – today, fast becoming a global leader in almost every aspect. Reminder: a lineage very strongly associated with... WHITE AFRIKAANS SPEAKING people... One the the ‘flip side’ – Zimbabwe – was handed one of the wealthiest countries in the WORLD (eg a currency that was worth more than the USA Dollar, etc) – what is it today..? Competing with Ethiopia to be the most desolate hell-hole on the planet..? Please explain...
I can carry on for days – but enough for now.
Just one more request: please.., pretty please.., kindly respect the intellect of our audience and refrain from cheap (ANC-like) red herrings – eg calling people “racists” – and kindly just answer the questions- directly and with tangible substance.
In parting, I would suggest the following,
- The term “Previously Disadvantaged’ is as much a fantasy, as is the delusional lunacy that threatens voters with the revenge of the ancestors (a bit like the “rapture” we are all eagerly awaiting, for the 4 017.75th time since 2000 alone...), the same delusional inanity that claims the words “KILL THE BOER” really, actually means – “come over to my mansion for tea and cookies”...
- You cannot take something from somebody WHO NEVER HAD IT..! In fact, what is it that white people, specifically white men, supposed to “give back” to black people..? Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain to me what it is that white men took from blacks?
--- LAND..? Blacks NEVER owned any land. Any form of formal ownership is a Western concept. The ‘black’ tribes of the mid 19th century haphazardly SETTLED in an ad hoc manner – effectively governed by tribal savagery – iow the most savage ruled the land (a bit like Hillbrow today). They simply ran away until they could not run anymore – not having ANY grasp of the concept of a horizon or for that matter any measure of finite land mass - eg the boundaries – that is the fundamental concept of ownership.
--- MINERALS..? More hallucinations aside – eg ancient gold mines... - a little bit like the Zimbabwe Ruins (the Pyramids, etc) – next to the magnificent structure, the indigenous people build stone-age dwellings out of dirt and sticks (at best emulating the birds). Minerals beneficiation is an entirely Imperialist/Western concept – in fact, in many ways it saw some of the most tangible advances, by WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN MEN – just peruse some of the academic paper at Wits’ Engineering Library.
--- WEALTH..? Money-, Capital- and the pivotal mechanisms of the wealth that allows you to breath, eat, have children, live a rather healthy productive and fulfilling live, but also allowed the cognitive development that leads you to make your daft comments here – it is ALL of Western origins. In fact, the key advancements in modern finance- and economics were made by the... ....DUTCH. Why do you think it is called ‘Wall Street’..? It was initially ‘Wal Straat’ – yes my dear, the Dutch took their cognitive substance there as well... The same Dutch that were the most direct decedents of the people that landed at the Cape in 1650 - in fact, the modern ‘WEALTH system’ was originated by the Dutch and it funded the explorations around the tip of Africa .
--- Perhaps we took their aeroplanes-, their Breitling watches, their Italian Suits, or their German luxury limousines, their ‘Blue Light Brigades’ or perhaps their Space Shuttles..? Mmmm... I just hate the implicit assumption that ‘white’ stole from ‘blacks’...
Please explain the term “PREVIOUSLY DISADVANTAGED”.
Kindly make special reference to following:
1. Who “disadvantaged” the ‘black’ people of the interior Southern Africa before the (supposed) belligerent ‘white’ settlers moved inland in the mid 19th century..? As certainly, what the ‘settlers’ found was not a hugely advanced infrastructure-, deep mines-, airports-, vast libraries of written works-, grandiose institutions of learning-, etc. No, as little as 170 years ago they found masses of black people (indigenous to the Southern tip of Africa ) living on the fringes of the stone age. Beings in skins, wielding sticks, living primitive dwellings, dragging- and carrying things around, who had not even invented the wheel yet.
2. Ethiopia – a country that was NEVER colonised. Today one of the most desolate places on the planet - who “disadvantaged” the people of Ethiopia ..?
3. Put Zimbabwe and Germany next to each other and please explain the differences. In 1945 Germany was (for all intents and purposes) flattened to ground and torn in half. Fifteen years later, West Germany was described as an “Economic Wonder”. Around the same time as the end of Apartheid , Germany was re-unified. It yanked the (unified) Germany back four centuries in time. Yet, in (around) fifteen years (for the second time a few decades) it built an ‘economic wonder’ – today, fast becoming a global leader in almost every aspect. Reminder: a lineage very strongly associated with... WHITE AFRIKAANS SPEAKING people... One the the ‘flip side’ – Zimbabwe – was handed one of the wealthiest countries in the WORLD (eg a currency that was worth more than the USA Dollar, etc) – what is it today..? Competing with Ethiopia to be the most desolate hell-hole on the planet..? Please explain...
I can carry on for days – but enough for now.
Just one more request: please.., pretty please.., kindly respect the intellect of our audience and refrain from cheap (ANC-like) red herrings – eg calling people “racists” – and kindly just answer the questions- directly and with tangible substance.
In parting, I would suggest the following,
- The term “Previously Disadvantaged’ is as much a fantasy, as is the delusional lunacy that threatens voters with the revenge of the ancestors (a bit like the “rapture” we are all eagerly awaiting, for the 4 017.75th time since 2000 alone...), the same delusional inanity that claims the words “KILL THE BOER” really, actually means – “come over to my mansion for tea and cookies”...
- You cannot take something from somebody WHO NEVER HAD IT..! In fact, what is it that white people, specifically white men, supposed to “give back” to black people..? Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain to me what it is that white men took from blacks?
--- LAND..? Blacks NEVER owned any land. Any form of formal ownership is a Western concept. The ‘black’ tribes of the mid 19th century haphazardly SETTLED in an ad hoc manner – effectively governed by tribal savagery – iow the most savage ruled the land (a bit like Hillbrow today). They simply ran away until they could not run anymore – not having ANY grasp of the concept of a horizon or for that matter any measure of finite land mass - eg the boundaries – that is the fundamental concept of ownership.
--- MINERALS..? More hallucinations aside – eg ancient gold mines... - a little bit like the Zimbabwe Ruins (the Pyramids, etc) – next to the magnificent structure, the indigenous people build stone-age dwellings out of dirt and sticks (at best emulating the birds). Minerals beneficiation is an entirely Imperialist/Western concept – in fact, in many ways it saw some of the most tangible advances, by WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN MEN – just peruse some of the academic paper at Wits’ Engineering Library.
--- WEALTH..? Money-, Capital- and the pivotal mechanisms of the wealth that allows you to breath, eat, have children, live a rather healthy productive and fulfilling live, but also allowed the cognitive development that leads you to make your daft comments here – it is ALL of Western origins. In fact, the key advancements in modern finance- and economics were made by the... ....DUTCH. Why do you think it is called ‘Wall Street’..? It was initially ‘Wal Straat’ – yes my dear, the Dutch took their cognitive substance there as well... The same Dutch that were the most direct decedents of the people that landed at the Cape in 1650 - in fact, the modern ‘WEALTH system’ was originated by the Dutch and it funded the explorations around the tip of Africa .
--- Perhaps we took their aeroplanes-, their Breitling watches, their Italian Suits, or their German luxury limousines, their ‘Blue Light Brigades’ or perhaps their Space Shuttles..? Mmmm... I just hate the implicit assumption that ‘white’ stole from ‘blacks’...
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daveza
Honorary Master
Land mines. Lots of them.
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Picard
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So you say that black people are inherently undeserved of Western comparison.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
I retract my lucidity statement in the other post.
*facepalm*
*facepalm*