Article: Thousands nabbed for drunk driving

"People must learn to behave, because only 80 percent of motorists are complying: others are aggressive and hostile.
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I don't agree with this. Not saying people shouldn't behave, but the expectation that people will behave is unrealistic. Law enforcement is poor so wtf is expected?
 
Bobbin said:
I don't agree with this. Not saying people shouldn't behave, but the expectation that people will behave is unrealistic. Law enforcement is poor so wtf is expected?
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It is expected that people behave like adults and take responsibility for their own actions without needing to be supervised and policed. Not a totally unrealistic expectation in my opinion.
 
ClintZA said:
It is expected that people behave like adults and take responsibility for their own actions without needing to be supervised and policed. Not a totally unrealistic expectation in my opinion.
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In a perfect world, this in reality does not happen. People need to be policed and laws need upheld
 
marine1 said:
In a perfect world, this in reality does not happen. People need to be policed and laws need upheld
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Law enforcement will never to catch everyone as this is unlikely unless there were as many cops a civilians. The idea is to make the risk for committing the crime outweigh the possible reward. This is what baffles me with drunk driving. The "reward" is a hangover and getting home cheaper and easier. The risk is killing yourself or others, or maybe you get lucky and end up in a prison cell for a night.
 
ClintZA said:
Law enforcement will never to catch everyone as this is unlikely unless there were as many cops a civilians. The idea is to make the risk for committing the crime outweigh the possible reward. This is what baffles me with drunk driving. The "reward" is a hangover and getting home cheaper and easier. The risk is killing yourself or others, or maybe you get lucky and end up in a prison cell for a night.
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Well it works very well in places like Oz. Problem here is all you need to do is bribe a cop and they let you go home, drunk.
 
marine1 said:
Well it works very well in places like Oz. Problem here is all you need to do is bribe a cop and they let you go home, drunk.
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I have heard of a number of individuals getting caught in SA. The article mentions many. So possibly the real problem, rather than cops getting bribed, is that South African citizens, for the most part, are bloody moronic idiots, who cannot process the rather simple risk versus reward equation.

My discussions with some in other drinking/alcohol threads indicate that there may be truth to this.
 
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ClintZA said:
I have heard of a number of individuals getting caught in SA. The article mentions many. So possibly the real problem, rather than cops getting bribed, is that South African citizens, for the most part, are bloody moronic idiots, who cannot process the rather simple risk versus reward equation.

My discussions with some in other drinking/alcohol threads indicate that there may be truth to this.
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Arrests mean nothing we need convictions and the press must publicise these cases.
You must lose your car too.
Problem is mostly, on the road at night, you pay your bribe and they let you go.
 
marine1 said:
Arrests mean nothing we need convictions and the press must publicise these cases.
You must lose your car too.
Problem is mostly, on the road at night, you pay your bribe and they let you go.
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So you feel society as a whole has no responsibility for their own actions? We needn't nurture a culture of complying with the law but rather rely on law enforcement to ensure we abide?

I do not choose to not break the law primarily because of the fear of getting caught but because of self preservation. Getting caught by the cops while driving drunk is not the worst outcome. Death or permanent disability is.
 
ClintZA said:
I do not choose to not break the law primarily because of the fear of getting caught but because of self preservation. Getting caught by the cops while driving drunk is not the worst outcome. Death or permanent disability is.
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+1

If a person is mature, sensible and informed then they will live a positive value system. "Safety begins with me. I'm in charge of my safety and that of other people"
 
ClintZA said:
So you feel society as a whole has no responsibility for their own actions? We needn't nurture a culture of complying with the law but rather rely on law enforcement to ensure we abide?

I do not choose to not break the law primarily because of the fear of getting caught but because of self preservation. Getting caught by the cops while driving drunk is not the worst outcome. Death or permanent disability is.
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You are right 100% in a sense but you argue against human nature which is never reliable, many obviously don't fear death or disability and many who take to our roads I would assume aren't educated or mature enough to understand the risks and be responsible. So this isn't working is it?

Law enforcement should be more effective at keeping dangerous threats off our roads. While I would commend those who do it is widely understood that our law enforcement is still way below par, to put it bluntly aside from their dismal proactive presence they themselves can generally be portrayed as a bit daft, corrupt, under financed, lazy and inefficient. A reputation I'm sure they have earned and not just spewed by those who simply complain about them.

Also all the campaigning for safe driving doesn't seem to be reaching enough people and I can't understand why :/
 
Another point perhaps is that too many people have to rely on their own transport. Can't have a good time and get home by yourself when you don't have anyone to rely on for a lift. And calling a cab is bloody expensive. Makes those who have even the slightest bit of responsibility err on the side of poor judgement. Not sure if this is a valid point.
 
dlk001 said:
+1

If a person is mature, sensible and informed then they will live a positive value system. "Safety begins with me. I'm in charge of my safety and that of other people"
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This is how it should be. Unfortunately, there are many brainless idiots on the road.
 
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