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Brawler said:
I just posted this on another forum.

Fermi has been "2 months away" for about 6 months.. When it eventually launches im guessing the quadro cards will get first pick of the very limited numbers so the few which the gamers will get will be scarce as hell(especially in SA) and ridiculously expensive. So it might be 3-4 months before we can actually buy a fermi based card in good old ZA.

Also, the AMD/ATI HD5xxx has been out for a long time already and I doubt they have been sitting doing nothing. A month or 2 after fermi a new AMD/ATI card could appear, what then? wait some more?
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The ever growing evolution of PC hardware:D
 
killadoob said:
No it is very much the case, console ports are being optimized for pc's. You can still use AA and AF for console games. So if you run a 260 you cannot apply 8 x aa and 16 af without the card exploding :D.
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That's nonsense - I have a 260 216sp and I can take any console port and max it right out with 8xaa etc at 1920x1200 - which is out of the range of any console. Ok say on FC2 if I turn the AA down to 2x I get 55-60fps rather than 40-55, but it really doesn't affect gameplay. And 260 is not all that powerful of a card compared to a 5850 which would eat it for breakfast. The reason 5xxx cards have Eyefinity is because they need to justify their existence in a market where they are clearly overpowered for the requirements of any real world gaming scenario, so if you add multiple monitors and bump the res up to 2560+ you actually do need such a monstrous gpu.
 
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Keep telling yourself that cerebus :D, you should see direct 11 when you decide your vga is not over powered :D.
 
Oh DX11 the saviour of pc gaming with entirely 1 (console ported) game to its repertoire - lol righto. Let's hang onto that one shall we. I predict pretty confidently that in a year's time brawler's 5850 will happily chow any game on the market, dx11 or otherwise. :D
 
What happens to your over powered 260 when you put your games on 16 x AA and 16 af with super sampling?
 
My 260 isn't overpowered at all, I'm just making a point about overkill in graphics cards at the moment - there is a stage where you don't really need to go any higher. Can you suggest a current game to me that would really demolish my card? I haven't been able to find one - except perhaps Crysis Warhead but then a single5870 will max it out at 40fps. And I'm saying that I don't see any games on the horizon that are going to do the job either - not from the major development houses at least. They're all terrified that PC gaming is dying etc etc and downscaling their ambitions. The general trend in graphics is to keep the status quo. Nobody is pushing the envelope.
 
Dude nobody knows when fermi will be ready, there is major problems with it from what i have read.

So either buy ati now or wait 2-6 months for fermi :D.
 
I haven't heard any recent rumours of 480/470 problems. Supposed to be on schedule for a late March launch. I won't place money on it, but I also haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise.
 
Cerebus dude go check google, all i can see is a nov 2009 release date, yet to see one site confirming the release date.

Maybe you found one if so please link us :D.
 
The problem with graphics cards atm is that the majority of games made are console-oriented. So a 5870 may be 6 times more powerful than an xbox360/ps3, but if games are being tailored for the limitations of console hardware they are not going to stress the gpu. There are a very small handful of games that are pc-specific and do stress hardware like STALKER, but even those are easily maxed out with a gtx285. So I'm not even sure in a year's time we'll see games that will choke current generation hardware. It used to be that you absolutely had to have the most up to date graphics cards because there was always something on the horizon that would demolish what you had running (doom, quake, half life 2, doom3 etc), but I don't think it's the case any more. Even the next Crysis and ID games are being ported to consoles. You think they're going to push your 5970 to its limit? No chance. Valve is content with squeezing Source till it hemorrhages. So where do you see this mythical next generation of graphics coming from? I can't see it anywhere on the horizon.
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Amongst the most sensible posts I have ever read here on MyBB. ;)
You're very right, we play more console ports now than ever before, even Alan Wake that was supposed to champion DirectX10 when it was announced many years ago is now a Xbox360 exclusive. The truth is the PC as a gaming platform where visuals are concerned offers almost zero value above the consoles for developers. To keep turning up AA is meaningless past 4xAA (MSAA with Transparency). At 1920x1080 it's as smooth as most people would ever need the image to be. 16xAA needs the screen resolution to increase in proportion and very few ave displays capable of more than 2560x1600, in fact most graphics cards will not drive a higher resolution. So even more AA of no value at all, investing in a $700 5970 to play the same game as someone on a $199 console because you can use 8xAA at 1920x1080 is insanity. Increased AA modes will not make the game look any better, a 512x512 texture remains so regardless of how many samples you take from it.
I have been using 5970 for a while now on one of my machines, but I prefer to game on the GTX285, and only for two reasons. PhysX and 3D Vision, the two things not even 2x5970 can give me.
I am playing Avatar and Shift right now (just finished batman) and those game experiences are significantly different enough on the PC (with 3D Vision in particular) to make it worthwhile adding a second GTX285 to the setup. One woudl need this extra performance purely because enabling Stereo 3D has a performance hit. On a GTX295 however, I can enable 3D Vision just fine and still maintain my native 1920x1080 res with 4xAA and its butter smooth above 50fps. (Most of the multi platform games we play are usually at locked to 30fps btw)

To run a 5870 in Crossfire gives me nothing but a higher frame rate which I never needed in the first place because that card is powerful already. With all the displays I have available to me limited to 1920x1080, frame rates move from an already way more than adequate 70fps to 102fps. This boost in frame rates does nothing to enhance the gaming experience at all.
Hard to find a game that can't be maxxed out on a GTX260 216, at 1920x1080 no AA (this is the Xbox mode as well as AA is only on SD resolutions) so how one ends up justifying a $700 purchase for gaming purposes purely is beyond me.
 
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