Audi R8 crash questions

Got to love CCTV. Proof the cop is lying.

This story and the other one of the thousands of applicants wanting to join the traffic cops and some dying when they had to run in the sun does make its sound like the last things these guys are doing is their jobs.
 
I think its pretty obvious the driver was drunk or they found his dagga & they asked him for a bribe & on the way to the atm they were killed.

Perhaps the owner decided to make the pig sh|t in his pants on the way to the atm & lost control.


He could have been taking the cop for a joy ride (this was like 4AM apparently) showing off to the cops and lost control - being rich and affording an Audi R8 doesn't mean you are able to drive the thing.



Also not being funny but if they were going to concoct a story and if the guy was over the limit when they stopped him they could clam he was drunk and when they attempted to apprehend him he drove away ,

Post mortem hasn't been release to public but I'm sure if any dagga or alcohol in his system they would have picked it up there.

Too many variables , only people that know what really happend are dead or sticking to the dagga story.
 
If you did nothing wrong. Why did you feel that you had to bribe them?


The 1st time it happened to me i refused to pay a "spot fine" based of a false accusation.
Was arrested and chucked into the back of a police van and taken to police station, my car was impounded as well.
I was fingerprinted and processed then chucked into a cell.
My attorney comes down and launches an after hours bail application (R3500). I go to court next day. After legal argument case is struck off the roll. (R1500 legal fees). Go to police station to collect car. Found everything that was in the boot was gone. Attorney speaks to cop in charge of SAP13 store (evidence is kept there). Cop says she joys nothing of the goods. Nothing was brought in to her and nor was the car even signed in. (replacement value of stuff was about R25k although actual value at time was about R7000.
I report incident to ICD. They investigate, find police at fault but unable to establish who took the goods. So they advise i take civil action against saps (at what cost ?).

So proving my innocence came at a cost of R12000.
The cops are fully aware of the various cost implications of arresting someone.
Picking on victims who drive "nice cars" is a logical choice as the cops will assume the person to be able to think about the costs, time and implications of going the "legal route" and be able to make a quick decision when presented an option of some kind of "spot fine".
 
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:wtf:..On bad day, I would kill a corrupt cop! Glad you got out of that situation.

Was pretty hectic, on my way to work too. Always keep a little cash in my car since then.

Its incredibly frustrating that the people we trust to uphold the law are the ones blatantly breaking it, and we're powerless to do anything about it. But its cool, cos 'speed kills'.
 
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i've only had good experiences with cops. the one bribe my dad paid in the car was after i'd been for a job interview and he was driving me, and he'd forgotten his seatbelt. gave them money to buy a coke and went on. obviously people and crimes vary.

anothwr time my license plate continued to fall off, so instead of using cable ties to stick it back on i simply left it. a cop pulled me over and told me if i stuck it back on i could go.
 
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/supercar-crash-cop-drug-bribe-theory-1.1450905#.UPQwBSd9Di8

Supercar crash: cop drug bribe theory

January 14 2013 at 07:49am
By SHAUN SMILLIE

Johannesburg - Six months ago, Ashley Cerqueira was accused of having dagga in his car. He was pulled over by officers from the Sandton police station, beaten and pepper-sprayed.

After a week-long battle during which Cerqueira claimed the dagga had been planted, the police dropped all the charges.

Now friends and relatives of Areff Haffejee, who was killed when his Audi R8 V10 supercar slammed into a tree in Rosebank, Joburg, early on Thursday morning, are wondering if officers from the same station didn’t do the same thing.

Crime forum eBlockwatch told The Star on Sunday it had been alerted to several incidents where police claimed to have found dagga after stopping motorists.

Constable Goodman Lubisi, of the Sandton police station, was killed in the car with Haffejee.

Police claim Lubisi and his unnamed partner found drugs in the car during their patrol at the corner of Grayston and Rivonia roads.

Lubisi had entered the Audi, while his partner had remained in the police vehicle.

Haffejee’s friends told the Saturday Star that they didn’t see any drugs at the scene, and that they had asked police officers about this. They believe there was never any dagga found in the car.

On the evening of Sunday, May 27, Cerqueira was driving from Montecasino and had turned onto Bryanston Drive when he was pulled over by a police vehicle. He was asked to step out of his car while his vehicle was searched.

He claimed he was accused of being drunk, even though he had not had anything to drink that night. He said he was asked for a bribe. He refused and began recording the conversation on his phone.

The police allowed him to go, but as he was entering his driveway, he was again stopped by police. An officer allegedly tried to grab his phone, and he was pepper-sprayed and beaten.

Later, police accused him of having dagga, but CCTV footage, showed the police had not found anything against him. A week later, the charges of drug possession were withdrawn against him.

eBlockwatch, who alerted The Star to the Cerqueira incident at the time, called on the public to report allegations of police corruption in the Sandton policing area.

“We had many claims of police intimidation; a common trend is for police to get into the car,” said eBlockwatch’s Andre Snyman. “This is something that has been going on for years.”

Snyman said the police often drive to an ATM, where the owner of the vehicle would be told to withdraw money from the machine.

He said it was also common for police officers to drive their alleged targets home, so that they knew where they lived and could use this information for intimidation.

“The idea is if they plant dagga or claim to have planted dagga, the person would think they are in bigger trouble and will be more willing to pay a bribe,” Snyman said.

In another incident last March, he said a man travelling near Northgate shopping centre was stopped by police. Officers claimed that a chewing gum wrapper was drugs and threatened to arrest him unless he withdrew money from a nearby ATM.

On Monday night, police spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Lungelo Dlamini said that if people had information of police corruption or the planting of drugs, they must come forward.
 
Sandton saps has become an organised crime gangster group of thugs
It's common knowledge
These guys on night shift also are known to go into the grand strip club and get dinner in uniform on duty, metro cops too.
What do we expect? The gvt is corrupt why can't the men on the ground be too?
This is the fault of the ANC simple as that
 
On Monday night, police spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Lungelo Dlamini said that if people had information of police corruption or the planting of drugs, they must come forward.
I did that and sweet f-all was done about it. This guy is probably as rotten as the rest.

Sandton saps has become an organised crime gangster group of thugs
Agreed.
 
Looking back, I did my national service there some 25 years ago at the SAPS. I remember the profiling of a recruit. I believe that is where the problem lies, and maybe, should be retested, like a drivers license, every 3-5 years

Whilst in the detective branch I had to lock up a lady who had stolen underwear from WW in Pretoria CBD, but was due to report for SAPS training the following morning!!! She was approved to undergo training!! Wow?! A very pretty, white, girl, that seems to come from an upstanding family - well so I thought when her folks came to pay bail. I felt extremely sorry for her. BUT I just couldn't understand how she ended up being selected.

The point is that there is no decent profiling done on a SAPS candidate. As long as you pass certain paper tests (monkey puzzle), show a clean record, some references... everything but an analysis (psychometrics?) is done. In those days medical was important.
However, I know for instance in the airline industry, you may be a competent pilot, a first officer for years, but if you are not able to pass the psychometric you will have to continue as f/o.

I did what we called Riot Training. This had as an element to try and "crack" you, to stick to the team, and follow instructions regardless. Sort of an extra dose of discipline. In the previous intake a recruit was killed. INstructor was a bit "bossies" (crazy). Well, I guess it was accepted that we were all "honest", upstanding.

I must be frank, most of us were prepared to do ANYTHING for our country. We were heart and soul into serving. And already then I became aware of dishonesty. It was not taken lightely, and I know of one officer that was killed trying to escape.

In short, I think all SAPS members needs to be vetted, not just medically, but mentally and (psychometrically - if this is the correct term here). Could be that it is done with the higher ranks, but so, I am not sure. I know of an officer who's wife, also equal rank officer, "commited suicide", that has fallen way of the track, very close to being booked away for a long long time. They were both captains.

Look at the fellow who robbed the banks taknig a plane to that city, doing his dirty work and flying back in the evening. Very famous guy whom they made a movie about. (Andre Stander?)
 
Look at the fellow who robbed the banks taknig a plane to that city, doing his dirty work and flying back in the evening. Very famous guy whom they made a movie about. (Andre Stander?)

The public liked that guy, was our local robin hood :D
 
I must admit that one of the first things I did after reading about Areff Haffejee's story and his R8 crashing was to go to his facebook page. I was curious to see what type of guy drives around with dagga in his super car. After viewing 2 of his pictures, I stopped believing the police version of the story. The cops just wanted a ride in his car and this is pathetic. Cops that want to drive an R8 must go study, take risks and start a business.
 
Notwithstanding the tragedy and obvious police corruption that led to the accident; I see from pics that the car was in 2 pieces?

What does it take for a car to be torn apart like that? Speed, type of object/obstacle, angle of collision?

Other than that, my theory is the officer was paid a bribe in the form of a fast car experience (also did anyone consider that the officer may have been the driver)
 
I must admit that one of the first things I did after reading about Areff Haffejee's story and his R8 crashing was to go to his facebook page. I was curious to see what type of guy drives around with dagga in his super car. After viewing 2 of his pictures, I stopped believing the police version of the story. The cops just wanted a ride in his car and this is pathetic. Cops that want to drive an R8 must go study, take risks and start a business.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_(road_car)
"Audi AG unveiled the Audi R8 V10 on 9 December 2008. It uses a 5.2 litre FSI engine"
"is re-tuned to produce a power output of 525 metric horsepower (386 kW; 518 bhp), and generate 530 newton metres (391 lbf·ft) of torque"
"Audi states the new 0 to 100 kilometres per hour (0 to 62.1 mph) time as only 3.9 seconds,[4] 60 to 124 miles per hour (97 to 200 km/h) in 8.1 seconds, and a top speed of 317 kilometres per hour (197.0 mph)"


Very impressive. 0-200Km/h in 12 seconds.
 
i Have been pulled over on william nicol. Lucky i had 4 friends with me when i got pulled over, so they couldn't plant anything.

Anyway, the officer kept saying i was drunk and he is going to take me to Diepsloot, etc etc. Then his partner opens my passenger door, pulls my mate out and starts shouting at him. "you whiteys think you can do what you want" etc etc. This officer then pulled his gun on me and asked if there was going to be a problem. I Gave him the R400 in my wallet and they went on their way.

What would you do in the situation ? should i have not paid him ? its easy to say on a forum what to do, but these guys intimidate you until you have no choice.
 
Very disheartening to hear all these stories about corrupt police officers. The only time I ever had to deal personally with a police officer, he saved my life. Guess I was lucky enough to get one of the good ones.
 
i wouldn't pay a bribe for speeding/ driving over the white line etc if the fines were affordable :-))
 
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