"BEE a failure"

Is BEE a failure?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 55.6%

  • No

    Votes: 8 14.8%

  • It has had limited success

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Alienated white people

    Votes: 11 20.4%

  • It has had limited success, but alienated white people in the process

    Votes: 18 33.3%

  • Mr Phosa is trying to score some noddy points

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    54
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Bloemfontein - "I don't believe black economic empowerment (BEE) has worked in South Africa. It has created millionaires and superstars while our people should rather have been equipped with basic skills."
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"We owe it to the next generation to resolve these issues. They don't carry the baggage we do. Race should thus no longer be the decisive factor when applying for a job; it should rather be which person has the right skills."
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This guy knows what he is on about at least
 
sox63 said:
Elections are not far away. This statement coming from one of the Millionaires and superstars created by it. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, he needs to hand back (to the poor) all the millions that he has acquired through BEE. :cool:
 
Not just BEE. We are being taxed to death.

the purpose of BEE was to bring black people into the mainstream economy, not to drive the whites out
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Mr Phosa speaks well, but can we believe anything a politician says one year before Elections.
Actions speak louder than words. The day I hear from my customers, friends and family that they are securing jobs in South Africa permanently then I will say we may be on the way to a happy and prosperous South Africa.
Until then our Government's policies are unclear and each person within the ANC has there own understanding of what BEE means. All this while thousands pour over our borders each day snatching the up the few jobs left that the poor might have secured for themselves.

Not just BEE btw.
How many people do you know are working overseas or thinking of working elsewhere in your immediate family? Even Immigrated perhaps.
In my family my brother has been working near the Caspian Sea for more than 3 or 4 years already, working 3 months on and one month off and the reason for doing so is that working in South Africa does not pay in the sense of half of his money went to taxes. He even worked thousands of hours of overtime to make more money which in turn was also taxed.
I am not sure what the Government thinks they are trying to do and perhaps the reasons are more sinister that there are thousands of people working overseas bringing in dollars and pounds each month into the country. Is it the task of the hard working South Africans to bring in this countries foreign exchange?

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This was well said. However I fear for his future as most likely the rest of his party will shut him down very quickly.

Willing to bet he get's labeled as a racist soon too by members of his own party. ROFL
 
BTTB said:
Mr Phosa speaks well, but can we believe anything a politician says one year before Elections.
Actions speak louder than words. The day I hear from my customers, friends and family that they are securing jobs in South Africa permanently then I will say we may be on the way to a happy and prosperous South Africa.
Until then our Government's policies are unclear and each person within the ANC has there own understanding of what BEE means. All this while thousands pour over our borders each day snatching the up the few jobs left that the poor might have secured for themselves.

Not just BEE btw.
How many people do you know are working overseas or thinking of working elsewhere in your immediate family? Even Immigrated perhaps.
In my family my brother has been working near the Caspian Sea for more than 3 or 4 years already, working 3 months on and one month off and the reason for doing so is that working in South Africa does not pay in the sense of half of his money went to taxes. He even worked thousands of hours of overtime to make more money which in turn was also taxed.
I am not sure what the Government thinks they are trying to do and perhaps the reasons are more sinister that there are thousands of people working overseas bringing in dollars and pounds each month into the country. Is it the task of the hard working South Africans to bring in this countries foreign exchange?

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securing jobs in South Africa permanently
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- I guess you're referring to Eishkom and many town councils AA work-around of employing foreigners recruited abroad on typically three year contracts.

thousands of people working overseas bringing in dollars and pounds each month into the country
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- I don't and I know many others that work abroad, who bring/send loads of foreign currency into SA. I only send a minimal amount to SA for the odd expenses, and this I send over in Rand.
 
I had to do overtime on a project once and the team member I work closest with is a very nice black lady. Both she and her husband are in IT and recently they moved into the same street as us. So we are very good neighbors also.

So while doing overtime we talked a lot of nonsense in between and figured out that the only ones benefiting from BEE are rich blacks owning chares. She told me that if a black person was lucky enough to get a job a white person would previously do then the black person would earn a lot less because of the "lack of experience".

Yet again it seems middle and lower class is getting screwed (regardless of colour) while upper class gets richer. It is only gowament that wants us to believes BEE is a poverty fighting strategy. Meanwhile they and their high power friends are getting richer.
 
Rouxenator said:
I had to do overtime on a project once and the team member I work closest with is a very nice black lady. Both she and her husband are in IT and recently they moved into the same street as us. So we are very good neighbors also.

So while doing overtime we talked a lot of nonsense in between and figured out that the only ones benefiting from BEE are rich blacks owning chares. She told me that if a black person was lucky enough to get a job a white person would previously do then the black person would earn a lot less because of the "lack of experience".

Yet again it seems middle and lower class is getting screwed (regardless of colour) while upper class gets richer. It is only gowament that wants us to believes BEE is a poverty fighting strategy. Meanwhile they and their high power friends are getting richer.
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Reading your post makes me think of is the how wrong an idea fellow black people have of BEE. So the following is my experiance of BEE and how I benefit.

Firstly, people need to realise that BEE is not there to make us all millionaires, even if it did, that would not be possible. It is there for us to improve our lives, through giving us more opprtunities than those experianced in the past.

Having stated that, how I have benefited from BEE and the way it measured in the scorecard is the following:

1. Skills development: I was a student in 2004, selling PCs on the side , and here comes along Company A, saying listen dude, we are battling to find and retain Black skills in "x" field, so what we would like to do is put you in an internship in conjuction with the relevant SETA. And I packed up my stuff and moved to JHB, to take it up. The money was crap, but my family would never afford to pay that money for training.

So I got my certs and now started working. And in due time, I was given a permanent contract. And my salary starts looking a lot better.
So thats how I benefited from that aspect of BEE.

2. Preferential procurement: So now Company A, being white owned and relatively small, saw an opportunity to compete with the big boys, as they had a better BEE rating than them. So they had the skills, and now can knock on more doors for business, and customer would mappy to do business with them as they can claim that spend towards their scorecard. And me being in sales, I earn commision on my sales. So there I benefited from this aspect as well.

3. Employment Equity: So now I have worked off the time I needed to be "free". And now I put myself on the market. So now I have the skills, and some experiance. Companies out there need to improve on their EE, so I'm guaranteed interest, and sure enough I get an offer I can't refuse, and Company A cant match, so move to Company B at a ridiculously better salary than before.


So, thus far, I own no shares of significance, bar some MTN shares. And I would say I have benefited GREATLY from BEE. I'm not a millionaire, but I'm a LOT better off than 4 years ago. That is what BEE is all about, and that is why I say, IT'S WORKING.
 
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