Betta Toilet flushing problems

Thank you Geoff, there were no pipes in between the 3 x 90 degree elbow joints, the angle of slope was only as much as the elbows would allow. The angles were adjusted to accommodate the join. It worries me that the 3 bends would slow the flow sufficiently to act as a restriction.
Thank you for your response.
 
Speaking of toilets, why do Americans like those toilets that fill the entire bowl with water? It’s damn near impossible to avoid Poseidon’s kiss with those toilets
 
I know the problem. You were looking more at the budget than the quality, so you got the cheapest plumbers. Hardware is not the problem. Sadly I have seen this so many times, and now at the end it will cost more than it would have if you got the more expensive plumbers in the first place.
 
Thanks everyone for all the advice. I tried pouring 12 litres of water in the bowl and it passed through without filling the bowl. Thanks for that tip - "thehuman".
My problem appears to be insufficient flush. Replacing the mechanism to increase the flush from 6 to 9 litres will likely resolve it. Thank you Mike and Geoff.
 
BuddyD said:
Thanks everyone for all the advice. I tried pouring 12 litres of water in the bowl and it passed through without filling the bowl. Thanks for that tip - "thehuman".
My problem appears to be insufficient flush. Replacing the mechanism to increase the flush from 6 to 9 litres will likely resolve it. Thank you Mike and Geoff.
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Pouring a bucket of water in the pan will likely have a different flow/volume rate from the action of flushing from the cistern (notice the specific betta pan has the selling point of "specially designed slots under the rim for a more controlled and quieter flush"). So before buying new mechanisms simply add as much water as the cistern will hold, add some bundled toilet paper in the pan to simulate a real flush, and then keep the flush mechanism open to allow all the water to empty out of cistern to get an idea what more water constrained by the pan attributes will do? Possibly the mechanism also slows down the flow rate so a mechanisms that will allow the volume of water to exit quicker (i.e. a higher gap and possibly a wider hole) could help.

Also something simple to check is whether the pan and as a result the outflow is level (angles are difficult to judge on the photo but using the bath tiles as reference just maybe the pan is dipping towards the front - gaps between the pan/cistern and the lid being off-kilter also suggests that some angles could be off).

Possibly the "contolled flush" design is problematic but I will first look into the the above and the extra piping bends potentially interfering with the siphon action and as pointed out by Geoff making sure the venting of the system is correct (or even present).
 
Thank you for your advice "one poster". The bathroom floor under the toilet is near perfectly level. The plumber mentioned that during the installation and we checked it together.
I have attached a photo of inside the cistern which shows the water level at the 6 litres mark, the max the mechanism can be set to. I then placed my hand over the central part of the mechanism, namely the upper part of the red pipe which would remove overflow water, and effectively blocked the overflow. I was then able to add an extra 3 litres before reaching the holes at the back of the cistern (for securing to the back wall, but not used in my case).
A flush with the extra the extra 3 litres was very much improved. It cleared the bowl perfectly as it should be able to do in one flush. I feel that a 9 (instead of 6) litre flush into the same 'controlled flush bowl' will solve my problem. I hope that I'll find a mechanism that can fit inside the cistern and allow it to fill to 9 litres, which is quite near the top of the cistern.
 

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BuddyD said:
Thank you for your advice "one poster". The bathroom floor under the toilet is near perfectly level. The plumber mentioned that during the installation and we checked it together.
I have attached a photo of inside the cistern which shows the water level at the 6 litres mark, the max the mechanism can be set to. I then placed my hand over the central part of the mechanism, namely the upper part of the red pipe which would remove overflow water, and effectively blocked the overflow. I was then able to add an extra 3 litres before reaching the holes at the back of the cistern (for securing to the back wall, but not used in my case).
A flush with the extra the extra 3 litres was very much improved. It cleared the bowl perfectly as it should be able to do in one flush. I feel that a 9 (instead of 6) litre flush into the same 'controlled flush bowl' will solve my problem. I hope that I'll find a mechanism that can fit inside the cistern and allow it to fill to 9 litres, which is quite near the top of the cistern.
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There are two models for the wirquin system - the basic "fixed" model and the telescopic model which is adjustable to fit larger cisterns.
 
BuddyD said:
Thank you for your advice "one poster". The bathroom floor under the toilet is near perfectly level. The plumber mentioned that during the installation and we checked it together.
I have attached a photo of inside the cistern which shows the water level at the 6 litres mark, the max the mechanism can be set to. I then placed my hand over the central part of the mechanism, namely the upper part of the red pipe which would remove overflow water, and effectively blocked the overflow. I was then able to add an extra 3 litres before reaching the holes at the back of the cistern (for securing to the back wall, but not used in my case).
A flush with the extra the extra 3 litres was very much improved. It cleared the bowl perfectly as it should be able to do in one flush. I feel that a 9 (instead of 6) litre flush into the same 'controlled flush bowl' will solve my problem. I hope that I'll find a mechanism that can fit inside the cistern and allow it to fill to 9 litres, which is quite near the top of the cistern.
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When you flush with just the 6 litres, does the water in the toilet bowl rise up before it starts to drain..? Or does the water immediately get pushed out of the toilet bowl..?
 
RonSwanson said:
It sounds like you were flumoxed.
Next time, ask for a demo. Eat a large eisbein with a double helping of sauerkraut. When the time is right (you will know) go to the demo toilet and take a dump. Flush what you have dumped and count how many times it takes.
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ROFL:ROFL:
 
When flushing 6 litres into the bowl containing only a minimal amount of toilet paper, the water in the bowl does not rise. A bit more than a minimal load causes water to rise about 10cm, no danger of spillage, but the remaining water in the bowl is a bit discoloured and most often has some remnants at the bottom.
The test with 9 litres of flush left no discoloration nor remnants. I had the lid closed while testing hence never checked the level in the bowl, but certainly there was no spillage on the floor.
 
The mechanism is adjustable and was set at the max which is only 6 litres in my cistern. As pointed out by Mike the red tube is too short.
 
ElixirCoder said:
Speaking of toilets, why do Americans like those toilets that fill the entire bowl with water? It’s damn near impossible to avoid Poseidon’s kiss with those toilets
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It's a simple Archimedean principle covered by the laws of buoyancy. Eat more roughage.
 
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