Bloomed in exile, failed in state

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Bloomed in exile, failed in state

Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri's life in struggle and later in government were vastly different. In this, her life was symbolic of the movement she gave her all for. Like her, the ANC ran a laudable campaign for freedom though it has been much less successful in government.
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Gatecrasher said:
Good to read an honest appraisal for a change.
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What I find interesting, is that Stalin-Mafole [Poison Ivy's puppeteer] is ignored when discussing just how bad Poison Ivy really was as MoC.

Stalin-Mafole hasn't kicked the bucket yet - she deserves a lot of criticism for [Mis]managed [telecoms] Liberalisation, let's not wait until she passes on before discussing the role she played.

PS: alternative headline suggestion: 'Bloomed in exile, ballooned [not just on doughnuts] in corrupt regime'.
 
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Very honest article, and yes... like it says, keeping her on as MoC, says alot about Mbeki....
 
ToxicBunny said:
Very honest article, and yes... like it says, keeping her on as MoC, says alot about Mbeki....
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+1

Let me show a little bit of my own limited knowlegde by asking this: "How difficult was it really to bloom (not academically) in exile"
 
Well she was, according to the article, an adjunct professor and senior lecturer at Rutgers, I'm assuming in the sociology department.. and US universities don't hire incompetent people just because they're forced to by law... So she must have been at least competent in the sociology department.
 
Stalin-Mafole

What little hope and possible sympathy I may have had for cope was lost when they admitted Stalin-Mafole.

What quality control is cope Doing, with the ANC members who moved across.
Looks like they are getting the ANC dregs
 
It looks that while in government she had the reverse Midas touch. Everything touched turns into rubble.
 
ic said:
What I find interesting, is that Stalin-Mafole [Poison Ivy's puppeteer] is ignored when discussing just how bad Poison Ivy really was as MoC.

Stalin-Mafole hasn't kicked the bucket yet - she deserves a lot of criticism for [Mis]managed [telecoms] Liberalisation, let's not wait until she passes on before discussing the role she played.

PS: alternative headline suggestion: 'Bloomed in exile, ballooned [not just on doughnuts] in corrupt regime'.
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Don't confuse the political leader with the bureaucrat. The Director General of the DoC was following the [mis]direction of her political boss.
 
arf9999 said:
Don't confuse the political leader with the bureaucrat. The Director General of the DoC was following the [mis]direction of her political boss.
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You will need to be a bit more specific - there are a few possible meanings that can be ascribed to your post:
  1. You could be stating that Poison Ivy was Stalin-Mafole's political boss. Although I doubt that this is what you meant.
  2. You could be referring to Mbeki as Stalin-Mafole's political boss, and therefore implying that Mbeki was ultimately responsible for [Mis]managed [Telecoms] Liberalisation.

    I suspect this is what you meant, however Mbeki certainly had the power to put an end to it or veto it from the start, but IMO Mbeki didn't come up with the idea - it was dreamt up by someone far more diabolical and far less drunk - I suspect that person to have been Stalin-Mafole or Andile Ncqaba or both or several.
Mbeki was certainly responsible, but he was IMO not the mastermind behind it - others equally deserve to have a bright light shone in their direction.

Something else that I find interesting, is that there wasn't much mourning when Mbeki got booted, which IMO suggests that various COPE members weren't all that loyal to Mbeki himself.
 
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ic said:
Something else that I find interesting, is that there wasn't much mourning when Mbeki got booted, which IMO suggests that various COPE members weren't all that loyal to Mbeki himself.
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He wasnt in SA long enough to build up a loyal following
 
There's no doubt she was a hard working woman,it's a pity that didn't extend to her position as minister,or maybe she did work hard to ensure that change in ICT is something that we never see
 
CalmD said:
There's no doubt she was a hard working woman,it's a pity that didn't extend to her position as minister,or maybe she did work hard to ensure that change in ICT is something that we never see
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So what part of her background (a teacher) prompted the government to appoint her as the Minister of Telcoms?

Note that this is also done at Local Government level as well - no wonder they fail:p
 
Tux said:
He wasnt in SA long enough to build up a loyal following
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LOL very true that is :D.
Stalker said:
So what part of her background (a teacher) prompted the government to appoint her as the Minister of Telcoms?

Note that this is also done at Local Government level as well - no wonder they fail:p
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It was specifically Poison Ivy's failure as the Free State Premier that prompted the ANC guavamint to reward her with a filing cabinet position.
 
I wonder if there will ever be an inquiry into how Telecoms has been affected by Mbeki, Stalin-Mafole and Poison Ivy the way they had inquiries and official investigations, truth and reconcilliation committees etc after Apartheid?

Edit: I wonder if they'll create an equivalent to BEE for previously disadvanged Telecoms users?
 
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