Blu-ray: Dead by 2012

[doobiwan]

... What are you going to do if you want to take a movie to a friends house to watch, are you going to unplug your Xbox360 or hard drive to take along?

Yes.

I do that already with a 160Gb External Mini Drive. USB Memory sticks are already at 16Gb, moving up to 32Gb. An XBLVM 720p movie is approximately 5Gb, 1080p movies can be squeezed into around 8Gb.

If there's drm, all it'll require is for you to log into you friends 360/DVP.

 

[Turiko]

1. Telkom cap
2. Having a disc is better than storing Terabytes of data (movies)
3. What happens if your hard drive crashes, are you going to download all the movies again, see point 1.
4. Hope you have a good expensive back solution for all your movies

Answers:

1) only relevant to SA
2) Maybe, maybe not. Huge advances are being made in terms of other storage media.
3) The movies will probably be DRM'ed anyway and will prevent you from making "backup" copies or retaining the copy beyond a specific length of time, so what's the point?
4) Nowadays, hard disk storage is cheap.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Yes.

I do that already with a 160Gb External Mini Drive. USB Memory sticks are already at 16Gb, moving up to 32Gb. An XBLVM 720p movie is approximately 5Gb, 1080p movies can be squeezed into around 8Gb.

If there's drm, all it'll require is for you to log into you friends 360/DVP.

Sure you can squeeze it to 8Gb, but with all that compression, surely there is quality loss, whats the the use of calling it HD then, it will be the same as watching an upscaled DVD.

If you own full HD equipment then you will want full HD quality.

 

[LazyLion]

Sure you can squeeze it to 8Gb, but with all that compression, surely there is quality loss, whats the the use of calling it HD then, it will be the same as watching an upscaled DVD.

If you own full HD equipment then you will want full HD quality.

"If you CAN AFFORD full HD equipment then you will want full HD quality"

fixed it for you

 

[doobiwan]

Sure you can squeeze it to 8Gb, but with all that compression, surely there is quality loss, whats the the use of calling it HD then, it will be the same as watching an upscaled DVD.

If you own full HD equipment then you will want full HD quality.

But if it looks like chicken and tastes like chicken . . . .

"Audiophiles" b!tched and moaned about the quality of MP3's for ages decrying their inferiority, but time and a little tweaking later the world is quite happy with 128-196kbps, so much so that the sale of MP3's is overtaking "high quality CD".

Good analogy really, considering we've also had better quality alternatives come along WMV, MP3 Pro, AAC, but the world has voted for MP3 with their wallets.

 

[Oculate]

Sigh, late for more flamebait

Nice article Doobi! The ps3 guys must have a bitter taste in their mouths so much for the 'future' blu-ray - we'll see how long it lasts

 

[benitok]

Sigh, late for more flamebait

Nice article Doobi! The ps3 guys must have a bitter taste in their mouths so much for the 'future' blu-ray - we'll see how long it lasts

Longer than the first Xbox360's that were released. RROD

I own both and enjoying both consoles.

moving off the topic here, sorry. Long live Blu-Ray

 

[CHURCHILL]

You and i can not really notice a big difference between an mp3 and a high quality audio disk, ecspecially using an ipod or car sound system, unless you have a trained musical ear or you are a dog.

The difference in HD quality video is very noticable.

If anyone has seen full HD content on a full HD telly, you will know what i'm talking about.

 

[Oculate]

Longer than the first Xbox360's that were released. RROD

I own both and enjoying both consoles.

moving off the topic here, sorry. Long live Blu-Ray

Speak for yourself, my 'orginal - August '06' 360 still provides me with my daily addiction

 

[doobiwan]

You and i can not really notice a big difference between an mp3 and a high quality audio disk, ecspecially using an ipod or car sound system, unless you have a trained musical ear or you are a dog.

The difference in HD quality video is very noticable.

If anyone has seen full HD content on a full HD telly, you will know what i'm talking about.

As someone who has scrutinized HD content in great deal at 42"+ I can officially say "tosh".

If you look in store at those demo pods with the "HD demo discs" you notice something particularly peculiar - they never use real "cinematic action" movies, they always slow scrolling scenes or even worse still images. That's because anything that moves generates motion blur that completely negates any advantage of the higher resolution. So basically Blu Ray is only really helpful for things like still life documentaries and Soap operas.

Gaming is a different proposition because firstly it's unpredictable and there's no blur in the source if it's not rendered that way.

Don't just take my word for it, I challenge anyone to go into an AudioVision or wherever and compare a DVD and BD of an action movie.

 

[benitok]

As someone who has scrutinized HD content in great deal at 42"+ I can officially say "tosh".

If you look in store at those demo pods with the "HD demo discs" you notice something particularly peculiar - they never use real "cinematic action" movies, they always slow scrolling scenes or even worse still images. That's because anything that moves generates motion blur that completely negates any advantage of the higher resolution. So basically Blu Ray is only really helpful for things like still life documentaries and Soap operas.

Gaming is a different proposition because firstly it's unpredictable and there's no blur in the source if it's not rendered that way.

Don't just take my word for it, I challenge anyone to go into an AudioVision or wherever and compare a DVD and BD of an action movie.

This is only a LCD or Plasma problem, not Blu-Ray. There are new LCD available which runs at 100MHz..

"..LCD screen for the very highest HD format. Also supported is 100Mhz Motion Plus technology which adds in more images to keep the high motion scenes looking very sharp is smooth running..."

http://www.hdtvlounge.net/samsung/le40f86bd/

 

[Ou grote]

If blu-ray was any good, I'd have had a player already.

 

[BinaryJack]

Sure you can squeeze it to 8Gb, but with all that compression, surely there is quality loss, whats the the use of calling it HD then, it will be the same as watching an upscaled DVD.

If you own full HD equipment then you will want full HD quality.

Yes, we have heard you yammering on and on about HD...
HD is NOT BD dependent...and I am able to get the same if not higher resolutions through VGA.
32G Stick is big enough for a single layer BD disc that I can carry in my pocket and use again and again and again and again and ...

 

[benitok]

Yes, we have heard you yammering on about HD...
HD is NOT BD dependent...and I am ble to get the same if not higher resolutions through VGA.
32G Stick is big enough for a single layer BD disc that I can carry in my pocket and use again and again and again and again and ...

Stop pirating movies.

 

[CHURCHILL]

As someone who has scrutinized HD content in great deal at 42"+ I can officially say "tosh".

If you look in store at those demo pods with the "HD demo discs" you notice something particularly peculiar - they never use real "cinematic action"

Don't just take my word for it, I challenge anyone to go into an AudioVision or wherever and compare a DVD and BD of an action movie.

Thats the problem right there, walking into shop and judging. half the setups in shops are all wrong any way.

Doobi, have you watched a native 1080p blu ray movie on a full HD 1080p LCD, using an HDMI cable, not in a shop either, but from a friend or someone you know who has a proper setup, YES or NO

 

[arf9999]

As someone who has scrutinized HD content in great deal at 42"+ I can officially say "tosh".

If you look in store at those demo pods with the "HD demo discs" you notice something particularly peculiar - they never use real "cinematic action" movies, they always slow scrolling scenes or even worse still images. That's because anything that moves generates motion blur that completely negates any advantage of the higher resolution. So basically Blu Ray is only really helpful for things like still life documentaries and Soap operas.

Gaming is a different proposition because firstly it's unpredictable and there's no blur in the source if it's not rendered that way.

Don't just take my word for it, I challenge anyone to go into an AudioVision or wherever and compare a DVD and BD of an action movie.

*Sigh* I know I shouldn't respond to this kind of trolling... but here goes:

Bullshit. There is no motion blur due to Blu-Ray, it is due to the LCD screen itself. If what you're saying is true, then your X-box games running at 720p look no better than a PS2 version of the same game.

If that is your contention you are:
1. Visually impaired
2. Trolling
3. Deluded
4. Stupid.

You choose . Because I like to see the best in people, I'm guessing 2 or 3.

... Oh yes, if you want to compress a 1080p movie to 8GB, no wonder you can't see the benefit.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Yes, we have heard you yammering on and on about HD...
HD is NOT BD dependent...and I am able to get the same if not higher resolutions through VGA.
32G Stick is big enough for a single layer BD disc that I can carry in my pocket and use again and again and again and again and ...

I doubt you will be watching it again and again and again, you will need to delete it sometime to make space for the next one.

Goodluck downloading 64Gb a month for two full HD movies, unless the movies are compressed..... well you get my point.

 

[doobiwan]

*Sigh* la la la la la flowers bunnies la la la.

Now that's just not nice is it.

While I'll freely admit that the comparisons I've done have been in store, they were correctly set at 1080p over HDMI BD to Plasma and LCD. The very purpose of which was to decide whether it was worth it to drop 15-25k on a telly so I was damn sure to be thorough. For reference it was the range of LG's at Audio Vision in Canal Walk, but it was about 6-12 months ago.

Arf, I know LCD latency when I see it, and that ain't it. As I said, the blurring is not inherent in BD it's an artifact of the filming process. As for it occuring in games, when was the last time you check the specs on your gfx card? It's not naturally present in a series of rendered images because there's no motion, which is why cards perform motion blur as a rendering post process. If you want to see it in action, the most blatant use of it is in GTAIV, it's used around the edges of the screen.

 

[BinaryJack]

Stop pirating movies.

No, i didnt make myself clear, we are talking about a possibly new storage system for HD movies.

 

[CHURCHILL]

As someone who has scrutinized HD content in great deal at 42"+ I can officially say "tosh". .

While I'll freely admit that the comparisons I've done have been in store, they were correctly set at 1080p over HDMI BD to Plasma and LCD. For reference it was the range of LG's at Audio Vision in Canal Walk, but it was about 6-12 months ago.