Boeing vs Airbus

Pitbull said:
That was also an "Airbus" as it was serviced by them. They Airbus then said they won't service it no more and numbers went down due to the 200 or 1999 crash iirc. But it was Airbus that actually caused it to be retired.

Aha, found it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
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Ok, but what does that have to do with Airbus A320's crashing? I dont understand the point you are trying to make? I am assuming you trying to say that there must be some kind of flaw, but the Concorde was a crash free airliner until the Paris crash due to a piece of metal lying on the runway.
 
Ockie said:
Ok, but what does that have to do with Airbus A320's crashing? I dont understand the point you are trying to make? I am assuming you trying to say that there must be some kind of flaw, but the Concorde was a crash free airliner until the Paris crash due to a piece of metal lying on the runway.
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Tomorrow they just pull the plug on the Airbus and build something else.

I'm not referring to any of the crashes. I'm talking about the actual plane. No farking way I'll fly on Airbus given a choice. So Airbus will pull the plug on it like they did with the Concorde and just make another plane. They pulled the plug on a plane that had 1 crash only but the people didn't want to fly it no more.

The amount of Airbus crashes lately is pretty damn scary, even you will admit that.
 
Pitbull said:
Tomorrow they just pull the plug on the Airbus and build something else.

I'm not referring to any of the crashes. I'm talking about the actual plane. No farking way I'll fly on Airbus given a choice. So Airbus will pull the plug on it like they did with the Concorde and just make another plane. They pulled the plug on a plane that had 1 crash only but the people didn't want to fly it no more.

The amount of Airbus crashes lately is pretty damn scary, even you will admit that.
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The Concorde was not financially viable anymore. The tickets were extremely expensive, the plane was very expensive to maintain and was a fuel guzzler. It just was nont financially viable for Air France and British airways. Pull the plug on the A320? Yea right. The A320Neo will be going commercial hopefully this year still .... and you must see the amount of orders they have for this plane. The A320 is a work horse, and is safe. I might as well then go and say that I refuse to fly a 737 because that model has had a k@k load of crashes also.

I think any crash is a tragedy, but trying to blame it on the plane unless a specific fault in the aircraft or system design can be pointed out, then I dont agree with your reasoning.
 
Ockie said:
I think any crash is a tragedy, but trying to blame it on the plane unless a specific fault in the aircraft or system design can be pointed out, then I dont agree with your reasoning.
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Yes, of course and even more so in this case where the plane disintegrated mid flight. I am sure it is pilot error or something.
 
Pitbull said:
Tomorrow they just pull the plug on the Airbus and build something else.

I'm not referring to any of the crashes. I'm talking about the actual plane. No farking way I'll fly on Airbus given a choice. So Airbus will pull the plug on it like they did with the Concorde and just make another plane. They pulled the plug on a plane that had 1 crash only but the people didn't want to fly it no more.

The amount of Airbus crashes lately is pretty damn scary, even you will admit that.
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I don't have the stats, but it seems that carriers flying over ..turbulant.. regions seem to be more likely to be using airbus. I personally think there is too much variation imposed by the carriers to really draw any conclusions about these machines.

It might be that the business model for these aircraft needs to change, specifically who does the maintenance and inspections.
 
Ockie said:
Multi national. Assembly of final airframe takes place in France though.
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I know they are multinational, not all final assembly is in France though, some models have final assembly lines in the USA (just about online iirc), Germany, Spain and China.

Toulouse just seems to be the most well known.

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USA is now online and plane assembly has started.

Although videos and photos are forbidden to be released until a public grand opening scheduled early on 14 September, a 90-minute tour revealed an almost exact copy of the company’s 'Hangar 9' final assembly hall in Hamburg, Germany, with still plenty of room to grow well beyond the plan to reach four aircraft deliveries per month from Mobile by the end of 2017.

“It signifies that Airbus is already a US manufacturer,” says Airbus chief executive Fabrice Bregier, speaking in a downtown Mobile hotel on a panel of company executives to reporters after the tour.

Two shipsets of A320 assemblies have already arrived in Mobile since June, filling two of the four stations in the final assembly. The first aircraft in assembly, a JetBlue A321, is approaching the Station 40 wing-to-body join within two weeks. The fuselage for an American Airlines A321 is sitting behind in Station 41. Both aircraft could fly in the first quarter of 2016, followed by deliveries beginning in the second quarter of next year.
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...neak-peek-inside-alabama-a320-factory-416669/
 
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Dave123 said:
I know they are multinational, not all final assembly is in France though, some models have final assembly lines in the USA (just about online iirc), Germany, Spain and China.

Toulouse just seems to be the most well known.
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There is a new factory in USA yes. Think it is Alabama (This is a brand new factory though and not sure if it has produced a full aircraft yet. There is also one in China, but not in Spain and Germany. Spain and Germany and UK produces large pieces which gets shipped to France for assembly. UK for example does the Wings, Germany parts of the fuselage, Spain does large parts of the tail. Also I think Germany has a center where the cabins and painting is done.
 
Ockie said:
There is a new factory in USA yes. Think it is Alabama (This is a brand new factory though and not sure if it has produced a full aircraft yet. There is also one in China, but not in Spain and Germany. Spain and Germany and UK produces large pieces which gets shipped to France for assembly. UK for example does the Wings, Germany parts of the fuselage, Spain does large parts of the tail. Also I think Germany has a center where the cabins and painting is done.
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A400M is assembled in Seville and some A320 in Hamburg.

Toulouse, France (A320, A330, A350 and A380)
Hamburg, Germany (A320 series)
Seville, Spain (A400M)
Tianjin, China (A320 series).
Mobile, Alabama, USA (A320)
 
Ockie said:
There is a new factory in USA yes. Think it is Alabama (This is a brand new factory though and not sure if it has produced a full aircraft yet. There is also one in China, but not in Spain and Germany.
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Hamburg, Germany has an A320 series final assembly line, Seville, Spain has a A400M final assembly line.

Airbus has several final assembly lines for different models and markets. These are:

Toulouse, France (A320, A330, A350 and A380)
Hamburg, Germany (A320 series)
Seville, Spain (A400M)
Tianjin, China (A320 series).
Mobile, Alabama, USA (A320)
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus#International_manufacturing_presence
 
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