Border troops won't be honoured

tibby.dude said:
....Now if it was me I would just shut up and be ashamed about what was done in my name but then the typical Afrikaner arrogance and baaskap must rear it's ugly head.
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You should make a serious attempt to lay off the racial remarks towards Afrikaners mate, or I can promise you there will be some serious mud slinging :mad:
 
I agree, if people are having difficulty discussing the issue rationally then perhaps they should not participate in the discussion at all.

Considering the topic though, after 7 pages everyone is doing quite well, with a few exceptions here and there. ;)
 
IamCanadian said:
I will continue to think that you are very intolerant of whites in general and it seems to me Afrikaaners in particular.
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Hmm. Might be a lot of things to say about Tibby, but being intolerant of Afrikaners in general is not likely one of them.
 
Lol

Tibby.dude said:
Now if it was me I would just shut up and be ashamed about what was done in my name but then the typical Afrikaner arrogance and baaskap must rear it's ugly head.
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Then please explain why so many of your own race in cape town voted NP in the past Tibby?
 
IamCanadian said:
I will continue to think that you are very intolerant of whites in general and it seems to me Afrikaaners in particular. Your intolerance comes through in many of your posts and I am sure many people here would agree with me.
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I am intolerant of racism, prejuidice and bigotry and sadly I still encounter these attitudes amongst mainly Afrikaners ... one only has to look at some of the remarks posted on this forum.

Btw before you lecture me on tolerance and racial harmony you might be interested to know that my wife is an Afrikaner and since she has not divorced me yet I think I am doing rather well in this regard ;).
 
No!

tibby.dude said:
I am intolerant of racism, prejuidice and bigotry and sadly I still encounter these attitudes amongst mainly Afrikaners ... one only has to look at some of the remarks posted on this forum.

Btw before you lecture me on tolerance and racial harmony you might be interested to know that my wife is an Afrikaner and since she has not divorced me yet I think I am doing rather well in this regard ;).
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You are intolerant of racism, prejuidice and bigotry, except in your self.

You obvioulsy have no time for Jews, Americans, Afrikaaners and Christians as seen by your comments on this forum... if you believe otherwise, then maybe you can clarify your comments and stop generalizing...
I personally dont think you are a bad person, you just tend to blow out one version of people around you.
 
IamCanadian said:
Actually, the SADF won the battle but not the war. If they won the war they would be the ones in power now.
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Agreed ... personally I can't think of a battle won by ... "the enemy" :rolleyes:

IamCanadian said:
This is what I think about this issue. Myself and many of my family and friends were in the military during the early 80's and looking back we were just ignorant 19 year olds still wet behind the ears. We were all conscripted and if we did not want to serve, we had the choice of leaving the country or going to jail.

What did we know then except for women, surfing, wine and jolling. How many 19 year olds today do you know of that are politically astute. It is only later on when you have experiences that your opinions start to christalize. I honour those troops who fought alongside me, as misguided as many of us 19 years olds were, in spite of what intolerant ignoramuses like tibby.dude, extermin8tor and Angelo spout.
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tibby says he's 39 ... how about extermin8tor and Angelo? I wonder how they would have faired in similar circumstances?

Fortunately for those of us who've been through it, Basic Training can never be done again. It would be amusing to watch the likes of the above in the hands of the old SADF ... to train them, of course :D .
 
i went back to saldanha years after my mil service - it was like a hotel. With TVs in every dorm!
 
War is stupid. Its just as senseless as Crime. That's my opinion. That said though, 8 of my friends died on the border. I survived.

I thought it was stupid then and I think its stupid now. Its so sad that young people have to die for old fools to live. It makes me sick. Not only were we forced we were brainwashed into believing it was honourable. There is no point or honour in dying for someone elses ideologies. Honor in war blah blah blah blah is for sentimental old fools. Off courseI feel sorry for the wives, moms, kids etc. I just can't see the point!!


8SAI Operasie Protea survivor.
 
syndre said:
Guessing it wasn't too pleasant the first time around? :D
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***kerlakke - telling me!
At one point there were hundreds of us in a queue for gietergat medicine... the galley had been condemned 15 years back but was still being used....
no hot water - washing 8 uniforms in cold water with omo...
heh...
 
Heh. I was to 1 Signals at the Army Gymnasium in Heidelberg. During basics I had my own room, the standards of neatness were lower than those I had at boarding school, and we had a chef named Daisy who loved making 2 or 3 desserts for every meal. It would have been paradise if they hadn't made us run around so much.
 
Joined PF in Jan83 left Dec86 S.A.Navy, although i never made it to the bush, i still feel that the most important point is not of who won in any war, but to remember those who fell, be it for right or wrong, they died fighting, they died in conflict, they are no longer with us , and they deserve to be remembered.
History is Unfortunately written by the "winner", the fallen cannot speak for themselves, and to comment or judge them after the fact is dis-honouring to their memory.
What is needed, is not place of political statement, but a place of rememberance, a monument to the fallen, with the names of all South Africans, who have died in all conflicts on both sides, irespective of race colour and creed, irespective of right or wrong, a place where friends and family may burn a candle, place flowers, or lay a wreath, a place where the men and women from all conflicts may pay their respects to those who fell, may remember, may meet old comrades in arms, share memories, and pay thier respects to the dead.

South African War Graves Project:
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/
Fallen on the Border:
http://www.southafricawargraves.org/lists/SAborderwar.htm
Roll of Honour:
http://justdone.co.za/ROH/

They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
WE WILL REMEMBER THEM
 
Claymore said:
Heh. I was to 1 Signals at the Army Gymnasium in Heidelberg. During basics I had my own room, the standards of neatness were lower than those I had at boarding school, and we had a chef named Daisy who loved making 2 or 3 desserts for every meal. It would have been paradise if they hadn't made us run around so much.
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Which squadron??
Nanfeishen said:
They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
WE WILL REMEMBER THEM
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Amen.
 
BTech said:
I thought it was stupid then and I think its stupid now. Its so sad that young people have to die for old fools to live. It makes me sick. Not only were we forced we were brainwashed into believing it was honourable. There is no point or honour in dying for someone elses ideologies. Honor in war blah blah blah blah is for sentimental old fools. Off courseI feel sorry for the wives, moms, kids etc. I just can't see the point!!
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I agree ... there is no honour in war.
 
Yeah

BTech said:
War is stupid. Its just as senseless as Crime. That's my opinion. That said though, 8 of my friends died on the border. I survived.

I thought it was stupid then and I think its stupid now. Its so sad that young people have to die for old fools to live. It makes me sick. Not only were we forced we were brainwashed into believing it was honourable. There is no point or honour in dying for someone elses ideologies. Honor in war blah blah blah blah is for sentimental old fools. Off courseI feel sorry for the wives, moms, kids etc. I just can't see the point!!
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I can't help but think it is honourable that someone should choose to fight for an ideal like eradication of a dictator like Hitler - think of the innocent for example who were spared his tyrrany because some people decided to do something about him before he got his way.
 
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