Bouncer in trouble again

[Slootvreter]

No, we walked up to the entrance and the bouncer said there was a problem with my mates shoes, but that he was going to call his manager about it???

So we waited while he left, in the meantime another bouncer who'd been standing a few feet away walked up to us, put is hands on our chests and started moving us away from the "rope" thingy. We walked backwards with him, but as we got to that brick pillar just outside the entrance he launched us across the courtyard... I landed on my butt, and mate on his elbow.

Strange, that someone would do that out of the blue, for no reason!

 

[VertigoZA]

Strange, that someone would do that out of the blue, for no reason!

exactly the reason I was just a little annoyed..

and to make things worse... the "manager" who came out afterwards was useless... I've never seen someone duck so quickly when I threatened legal action.

When we reported the matter at the Police station a few days later we were told that Aruba lounge has a history of similar incidents...

 

[Albereth]

Strange, that someone would do that out of the blue, for no reason!

Probably the steroids?

 

[Slootvreter]

exactly the reason I was just a little annoyed..


When we reported the matter at the Police station a few days later we were told that Aruba lounge has a history of similar incidents...

Yeah I would have also been annoyed if that is the way things happened! When you go to the police station about ANY pub/club, they will shake their heads and inform you that that joint has a long history of incidents, even if it hasn't. Standard answer to make the complainant feel better.

Probably the steroids?

Oh no not again. Yeah, blame steroids. There are much more steroid using customers walking around than there will EVER be bouncers. Like that dumb judge who blamed bouncers for steroid-induced violence while he is looking at a fairly skinny guy in the dock. Shees.

 

[Mila]

Strange, that someone would do that out of the blue, for no reason!

Seen this type of thing often..... they come to work pissed off with teir crappy lifes ,the newest GF leaving whatever and they can not wait to take it out on a little punk head......

not roids ephedrine, they take frequently during the night.

 

[Slootvreter]

Seen this type of thing often..... they come to work pissed off with teir crappy lifes ,the newest GF leaving whatever and they can not wait to take it out on a little punk head......

You've seen it often? Weird. I've worked at clubs for close to ten years, and never heard a colleage say 'Hey, I hate my life, let's smack that punk'. And I've never seen it happen. And you have a whole mis perception of a bouncer's life.

 

[Mila]

You've seen it often? Weird. I've worked at clubs for close to ten years, and never heard a colleage say 'Hey, I hate my life, let's smack that punk'. And I've never seen it happen. And you have a whole mis perception of a bouncer's life.

funny as they worked for me and i had to deal with the police and when i had the bouncie in the office they would ask tehir work back cause it was just a bad day and he will never hit again...

Happy now????

I'm not going to make this personal, i had about 20 bouncers working for me at a time and this is my opinion. 99.9% off them has some or other violent streak.
And i worked with lots of them ( for 5 years )

 

[Slootvreter]

funny as they worked for me and i had to deal with the police and when i had dthe bouncie in the office he would ask his work back cause it was just a bad day and he will never hit again...

This one guy? I thought you said you've seen it plenty times?

 

[Mila]

Happy?

 

[Albereth]

Oh no not again. Yeah, blame steroids. There are much more steroid using customers walking around than there will EVER be bouncers. Like that dumb judge who blamed bouncers for steroid-induced violence while he is looking at a fairly skinny guy in the dock. Shees.

We could get into the whole psyche of the bouncer and the steroid using customer. Bluntly put, there are some folk who actually enjoy the opportunity for a fight - both bouncers and customers.

And the other little thing that they don't like to mention is that if a bouncer gets put down his job is pretty much over because word will get out and bouncer bashers will rock up just to put him down as well. Bouncers know this and will gang up or hit first to keep the rep.

Drug abuse is rampant amongst bouncers. It may not be the recreational type taken by patrons of the clubs, but they do abuse drugs. Any abuse has side effects. And, by definition, if you are prepared to abuse any substance your mental judgement is impaired.

Claiming it's the steroids is really being nice about it.

 

[Slootvreter]

Happy?

Huh? Anyway, I'm sure you get the odd guy now and then who behaves unprofessionally, but the majority doesn't. Some of these guys actually have other jobs, but ran into financial trouble and decided to do something for extra money, as opposed to sitting at home and pissing and moaning about the state of the country. This was my reason.

Some do it while they're still studying, just like some are bartenders or DJ's. Some do it because they're actually part of the management of the security company and make more out of it that people would think. And the rest....come from Burundi and Congo and have nothing else to do

So these honest types now get labeled because of an incident in the newspaper or a story someone heard from a friend of a friend, etc etc.

 

[Slootvreter]

And the other little thing that they don't like to mention is that if a bouncer gets put down his job is pretty much over because word will get out and bouncer bashers will rock up just to put him down as well. Bouncers know this and will gang up or hit first to keep the rep.

That's bull$**** if I've even heard it. If a bouncer gets put down, 'he got what he deserved', be it the other way around, 'he behaved like a steroid-fuelled neanderthal'. I've seen normal bouncers (no roids) struggle with drunked coked up steroid jocks, and nobody said a thing. Now had this been the other way around, everyone would have been up in arms.

 

[darkevil]

Probably the steroids?

Strange that you should say its the steroids... and once again steriods take the rap.

When there they always asking me if i can organise them some.

Seems they looking but not getting any.

Maybe they on something else.........

 

[Drunkard #1]

Well how unusual, Slootvreter standing up for "the innocent bouncers" and their right to assault anyone they take issue with. If you don't like the steroid fueled neanderthal label, what do you attribute your average bouncers penchant for violence to? Mother issues? Girlfriend issues? Being the lowest form of scum in the pond issues? I also blame the cops lack of arrests and the courts lack of prosecutions. These violence prone (steroid fueled or otherwise) savages should be locked away for a very long time. It will go a long way to restoring order and civility in our third world country.

 

[Albereth]

That's bull$**** if I've even heard it. If a bouncer gets put down, 'he got what he deserved', be it the other way around, 'he behaved like a steroid-fuelled neanderthal'. I've seen normal bouncers (no roids) struggle with drunked coked up steroid jocks, and nobody said a thing. Now had this been the other way around, everyone would have been up in arms.

I am not talking about whether the bouncer deserves it or not. I am talking about the guys who deliberately go looking to take a bouncer out. It isn't a case of the bouncer looking for trouble and then been taken down, it's the deliberate targeting of the bouncer.

Closest example that I can give you that you may be able to reference is by Francois Pienaar in his book. He says that he and others went to deliberately look for a fight.

That's what I am talking about.

And that possibility puts bouncers on an edge.

And if the bouncer does stop some drugged up jock, well that's his job and why should he get praise? The question that people are asking is why is it that the bouncers seem to need to beat up on the nerdy types?

This isn't to say that there isn't a role for security at a club. Who would go if the coked up steroid jocks could rampage?

But I guess that there is a question in why clubs have bouncers and not restuarants or pubs? Somewhere along the line the 'wrong' behaviours are present in clubs, and maybe those involved in it all deserve each other?

 

[Albereth]

Strange that you should say its the steroids... and once again steriods take the rap.

When there they always asking me if i can organise them some.

Seems they looking but not getting any.

Maybe they on something else.........

I was being kind when I said steroids. Perhaps I ought to have been less sensitive and just said substance abuse.

 

[Slootvreter]

I was being kind when I said steroids. Perhaps I ought to have been less sensitive and just said substance abuse.

And the coked up customers getting drunk on Long Island Ice Teas is acceptable?

 

[VertigoZA]

I am not talking about whether the bouncer deserves it or not. I am talking about the guys who deliberately go looking to take a bouncer out. It isn't a case of the bouncer looking for trouble and then been taken down, it's the deliberate targeting of the bouncer.

Closest example that I can give you that you may be able to reference is by Francois Pienaar in his book. He says that he and others went to deliberately look for a fight.

That's what I am talking about.

And that possibility puts bouncers on an edge.

And if the bouncer does stop some drugged up jock, well that's his job and why should he get praise? The question that people are asking is why is it that the bouncers seem to need to beat up on the nerdy types?

This isn't to say that there isn't a role for security at a club. Who would go if the coked up steroid jocks could rampage?

But I guess that there is a question in why clubs have bouncers and not restuarants or pubs? Somewhere along the line the 'wrong' behaviours are present in clubs, and maybe those involved in it all deserve each other?

Yup, nerdy type right here

 

[Slootvreter]

I am not talking about whether the bouncer deserves it or not. I am talking about the guys who deliberately go looking to take a bouncer out. It isn't a case of the bouncer looking for trouble and then been taken down, it's the deliberate targeting of the bouncer.

Closest example that I can give you that you may be able to reference is by Francois Pienaar in his book. He says that he and others went to deliberately look for a fight.

That's what I am talking about.

And that possibility puts bouncers on an edge.

And if the bouncer does stop some drugged up jock, well that's his job and why should he get praise? The question that people are asking is why is it that the bouncers seem to need to beat up on the nerdy types?

This isn't to say that there isn't a role for security at a club. Who would go if the coked up steroid jocks could rampage?

But I guess that there is a question in why clubs have bouncers and not restuarants or pubs? Somewhere along the line the 'wrong' behaviours are present in clubs, and maybe those involved in it all deserve each other?

Hey we agree on something here A club in Stellenbosch (now recently closed) was such a venue. I worked there for two years, and weekend after weekend different rugby teams would come and try and stamp their name down there.

But I didn't say a bouncer should get praise when he stops a heave trouble maker, but what usually happens, he will face an assualt charge and public outrage regardless of the fact that he was not in the wrong.

Most restaurants don't have bouncers because they close at 11pm and there are no dance floors or loud 'club' music. Pubs, mostly your local around-the-corner type place where you go for a drink after work are also usually closed at around 12pm. Likewise, no dance floor, karaoke music, and since they are small, not many people causing trouble. But make no mistake, I've watched lots of barfights in small pubs, much to my entertainment.

 

[Albereth]

And the coked up customers getting drunk on Long Island Ice Teas is acceptable?

Not at all - if you read through all that I had written you will note that I said that security at a club is necessary because of the 'coked up customers getting drunk'.