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Taken over? Lol, what do you suggest? That we be banned till we dance to AWB tune? Small mindedness is a disease for which there's no cure - so get born again.
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BREAKING: Prosecutor Gerrie Nel quits
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Taken over? Lol, what do you suggest? That we be banned till we dance to AWB tune? Small mindedness is a disease for which there's no cure - so get born again.
@Mike Hoxbig you are a troll.
+30 000 posts since 2010?
Please tell us you are a real human with a job.
Get a life boet. You are fishy!!
Hamish McPanji
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I have met Mike, and so have many forumites here. And he is a real person with a job.
Is that really the best riposte you can put up. Please try harder
Probably a soutie.
OrbitalDawn
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Not a bad thing, provided they comply with the law in how they approach things. Getting someone with that experience and expertise will help.
Hopefully they can kick some asses and make things happen. I like it when AfriForum takes on civil society issues, like the Tshwane smart meter rollout.
Hopefully they can kick some asses and make things happen. I like it when AfriForum takes on civil society issues, like the Tshwane smart meter rollout.
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Private prosecution is what SA needs. Our institutions have been captured. Our constitution caters for private prosecution.
Yay.
Yay.
f2wohf
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Or the people who had to deal with Afriforum. Thanks to them I learned how to do things if you want to fail.
They've done everything to block one of our projects, all this because the white farmers in the area weren't happy about the location of the project site (supposedly).
I've heard through our local white employees that they wanted actually in but didn't have the money to invest.
The whole section of Afriforum were just fanatical, throwing alledged inexistant corruption, that the project was 3x overpriced (while they didn't even have a basic understanding of the scope), and claiming that all the processes were biased (such as there was no public participation for the EIA while we actually advertised 60 days instead of 30 days).
Basically a witch hunt with local Afrikaans newspapers just repeating what Afriforum was saying and never quoting our answers to the matter.
They've sued us for nothing to get us to disclose the bidding documents, we actually proposed to give it to them but they've never wanted to hear that.
Next thing we know, they sue us to get the same documents and claim a victory. They found nothing to break the deal and eventually gave up.
Result: we've lost 1 year on the project schedule, the community has lost 1 year of our services (which are actually making basic services cheaper) and it will cost them more (because of the 1 year standby).
Afriforum has spent money on a court case that brought them nothing as the project was entirely above board and lost all credibility in that town as now the farmers support our project (which was evil before, remember...).
The DA ended up losing votes because of this in that town...
Only ANC officials have reached such a waste of time, money and level of arrogance and incompetency in my personal experience.
So they'll have to get my wallet over my dead body.
Ps: I'm white and very much pro DA.
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New prosecuting unit in the interest of all South Africans - AfriForum
Pretoria - Lobby group AfriForum has denied claims that the organisation serves to protect the rights of the white Afrikaner population in the country.
Speaking at the official announcement on Tuesday of a newly-established prosecuting unit, to be led by State advocate Gerrie Nel, AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel said this perception was mere "propaganda" which was not based on facts.
"If you go into facts and you ask the people making these allegations, name one instance where AfriForum acted in a racist manner, then you won't find that.
"But if you ask, where did AfriForum do things that are to the benefit of all South Africans, I can name many," Kriel said.
"We fix potholes, we make sure water is safe, we make sure that towns have electricity, we are willing to take on Eskom and if you look at that, we are not just asking that only Afrikaners drive [on that] road, or have clean water or electricity. We are fighting those issues in the interest of everybody, and those are the facts."
Kriel said this was not surprising because any successful watchdog organisation was bound to make enemies, however, the only thing those enemies could try to do to silence them was to give them false labels.
'All equal before the law'
"People should judge us on our actions and not on the grounds of who we are, because that would be dangerous," Kriel said.
On Tuesday morning News24 reported that Nel had tendered his resignation at the National Prosecuting Authority and had given them 24 hours' notice.
On Tuesday afternoon Kriel officially welcomed Nel to the organisation as the head of its private prosecuting unit.
The reason for establishing the unit was based on the perception that the NPA was selective when it came to prosecuting matters. This was where the unit would step in. Its aim was to ensure that "all be equal before the law," both Kriel and Nel said.
There were mixed reactions to the news, with some questioning why Nel – who had served in the NPA for 36 years - decided to quit four years away from retirement, why he had given such short notice, and why he had chosen to align himself with AfriForum.
The 56-year-old told reporters that his decision was not a simple one, and that he had mulled it over for more than a year. He also said once he had made his decision, he did not want to drag it out and was keen to begin immediately.
He also said he hoped South Africans would have faith in his integrity as a prosecutor and trust that he would maintain the same standard in the new job.
"I have been a prosecutor for 36 years and I think I have built up integrity that I am proud of," he said.
No parallel prosecutions
Nel will start his new job on February 1 and is expected to spend his first month rounding up a solid team of prosecutors and experts, before pursuing any matters.
No matter is too big or too small, and Nel has urged South Africans to come forward and seek assistance from the unit.
Each case's merits would be studied before a decision is made on whether to go ahead with prosecution or not. Nel stressed that the unit would not run parallel prosecutions, but would only deal with matters which the NPA had opted not to pursue.
If the unit did not pursue any cases that would be a good thing because it would mean that the NPA was doing its job.
Kriel said the organisation had already budgeted for the year ahead and Nel's team. He also believed that the unit would be financially sustained by the organisation's sponsors.
"We are fortunate that we have the power of civil society and we have more than 185 000 members who support us on a continuous basis that makes it possible for us to do this.
"They've made it possible for us in the past to take on governments, so we should not underestimate the power of civil society and we are confident that this will be sustainable," Kriel said.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...rest-of-all-south-africans-afriforum-20170131
Pretoria - Lobby group AfriForum has denied claims that the organisation serves to protect the rights of the white Afrikaner population in the country.
Speaking at the official announcement on Tuesday of a newly-established prosecuting unit, to be led by State advocate Gerrie Nel, AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel said this perception was mere "propaganda" which was not based on facts.
"If you go into facts and you ask the people making these allegations, name one instance where AfriForum acted in a racist manner, then you won't find that.
"But if you ask, where did AfriForum do things that are to the benefit of all South Africans, I can name many," Kriel said.
"We fix potholes, we make sure water is safe, we make sure that towns have electricity, we are willing to take on Eskom and if you look at that, we are not just asking that only Afrikaners drive [on that] road, or have clean water or electricity. We are fighting those issues in the interest of everybody, and those are the facts."
Kriel said this was not surprising because any successful watchdog organisation was bound to make enemies, however, the only thing those enemies could try to do to silence them was to give them false labels.
'All equal before the law'
"People should judge us on our actions and not on the grounds of who we are, because that would be dangerous," Kriel said.
On Tuesday morning News24 reported that Nel had tendered his resignation at the National Prosecuting Authority and had given them 24 hours' notice.
On Tuesday afternoon Kriel officially welcomed Nel to the organisation as the head of its private prosecuting unit.
The reason for establishing the unit was based on the perception that the NPA was selective when it came to prosecuting matters. This was where the unit would step in. Its aim was to ensure that "all be equal before the law," both Kriel and Nel said.
There were mixed reactions to the news, with some questioning why Nel – who had served in the NPA for 36 years - decided to quit four years away from retirement, why he had given such short notice, and why he had chosen to align himself with AfriForum.
The 56-year-old told reporters that his decision was not a simple one, and that he had mulled it over for more than a year. He also said once he had made his decision, he did not want to drag it out and was keen to begin immediately.
He also said he hoped South Africans would have faith in his integrity as a prosecutor and trust that he would maintain the same standard in the new job.
"I have been a prosecutor for 36 years and I think I have built up integrity that I am proud of," he said.
No parallel prosecutions
Nel will start his new job on February 1 and is expected to spend his first month rounding up a solid team of prosecutors and experts, before pursuing any matters.
No matter is too big or too small, and Nel has urged South Africans to come forward and seek assistance from the unit.
Each case's merits would be studied before a decision is made on whether to go ahead with prosecution or not. Nel stressed that the unit would not run parallel prosecutions, but would only deal with matters which the NPA had opted not to pursue.
If the unit did not pursue any cases that would be a good thing because it would mean that the NPA was doing its job.
Kriel said the organisation had already budgeted for the year ahead and Nel's team. He also believed that the unit would be financially sustained by the organisation's sponsors.
"We are fortunate that we have the power of civil society and we have more than 185 000 members who support us on a continuous basis that makes it possible for us to do this.
"They've made it possible for us in the past to take on governments, so we should not underestimate the power of civil society and we are confident that this will be sustainable," Kriel said.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...rest-of-all-south-africans-afriforum-20170131
Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
Lol it's cool bud, we don't have to prove anything to some random on the internet. You know you hit a nerve when there's no counter argument, and getting personal is all they have left.
What I find amusing is how so many AfriForum supporters here just keep reinforcing the stereotype that they've come to be known for...
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If you look at Afriforum's website you really can't fault their endeavours. It's a pity to see the public's perception of the organization (AWB, apartheid lovers, white supremists, Orania dwellers) as per Twitter.
- Stop ANC's Hate Speech Bill
- Repair cut off electricity supply (munic. in arrears)
- Privately funded university
- Anti-corruption unit
- Self reliance (fixing potholes etc.)
- Strategies against crime
- Stop racial inteference in sport
- Away with Hlaudi
- Fracking petition
- Mugale City accounts frustration
- Stolen SAPS firearms
- Tax money squandering
- Farm murders prioritised
- Clean water project
- Community safety
Patrick_Hockstetter
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Very interesting development.
An independent prosecuting unit.
Wow, absolutely awesome!!
They will not go quietly into the night........
An independent prosecuting unit.
Wow, absolutely awesome!!
They will not go quietly into the night........
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Agree, the people who hate Afriforum is just ignorant. I'm going to join them and start to support them financially.
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A private prosecutor team will be a very good thing for this country.
It is a serious problem, though, that it is Afriforum. The propaganda about "white monopoly capital" being behind any prosecution writes itself.
They are going to need to employ some high-flying black prosecutors to counter the poor public image Afriforum has.
In my opinion, the Afriforum connection should have been played down, and the prosecution unit lobbied as an independent entity.
It is a serious problem, though, that it is Afriforum. The propaganda about "white monopoly capital" being behind any prosecution writes itself.
They are going to need to employ some high-flying black prosecutors to counter the poor public image Afriforum has.
In my opinion, the Afriforum connection should have been played down, and the prosecution unit lobbied as an independent entity.
crackersa
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whut?
Idiosyncratic
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Spot on!
Afriforum's image hurts this team. However, they can salvage the situation by bringing in high quality black prosecutors and putting them at the forefront of this team along with Nel.
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Yes, of course they will publish everything they do, and how they do it on the website. It can be used for reference....Like a dictionary or encyclopedia.
It's like this leaflet for this love doctor that the traffic light guy gave to me. The love doctor is awesome. I dunno why people are so cynical about these guys
Agreed. Also, saving SA starts with winning hearts and minds which begins with the youth. It would be very easy for organisations like Afriforum and others to solicit funds from Europe and open schools, libraries and other educational facilities pushing progressive, democratic values to counter SACP, ANCYL and EFF failed policies.
Hamish McPanji
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Based on his preconceived ideas of what liberals stand for. There wasn't much of that screeching from the liberals, he must be disappointed
konfab
Honorary Master
You want an organisation that is fighting affirmative action, to hire people based on their skin colour:
What you should have said:
What matters more? Taking up and winning cases that help South Africans, or just do like the ANC does and put window dressing up.
