Britain is 'gambling its democracy' with voting changes, warn experts

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But new rules requiring Britons to prove their identity before they can vote are whipping up quite a storm, with experts warning the country’s very democracy is under threat.

Branded the “biggest” electoral overhaul in a generation, the source of contention is the 2022 Elections Act, which had made it a legal requirement to show a valid form of photo ID, such as a passport or driver's licence, ahead of local elections in May.
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Amazing! In all Democracies, even here in SA, you require an ID document to vote. Seems the new "Democrats" wants to do away with this so they can rig elections.
 
rvZA said:
Amazing! In all Democracies, even here in SA, you require an ID document to vote. Seems the new "Democrats" wants to do away with this so they can rig elections.
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But how do you "do away" with something that wasn't there before?


To the Britons amongst us, how did you vote before?
 
ForceFate said:
But how do you "do away" with something that wasn't there before?


To the Britons amongst us, how did you vote before?
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You register on the voters roll, then when there's an election you go to your poll station, give them your name then go vote.
No checks apart from looking for you on the list and crossing you off
 
Sinbad said:
You register on the voters roll, then when there's an election you go to your poll station, give them your name then go vote.
No checks apart from looking for you on the list and crossing you off
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Thank you.
 
Tory scum still going to lose come elections, they can try change what they want
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Would elections in SA be better with or without showing ID at the voter's station?
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Better with ID, else we'd have entire Zim, Moz, Botswana and Lesotho voting in ZA. We'd even have entire countries in central Africa flocking to ZA to vote for a party that promises to do away with borders entirely.
 
I don't understand the upheaval in other countries about implementing voter ID. The most basic thing when it comes to voting FFS.

Naturally, you need to be checked if you're an eligible voter before you can vote, otherwise, any oke who isn't can vote and **** with the system (illegals, tourists, etc).

The arguments in the article against this are plain stupid, they range from "But it's going to oppress the poor and minorities" to "Getting ID is hard".

Shem, if we as SA with a near-destroyed Home Affairs can get IDs and where 30% of the population live in poverty can get those ID and have them when voting then...

I mean, come on:
“In order to have absolute confidence in the ballot, I think saying you need some form of ID … is a reasonable thing to request,” said Crime and Policing Minister Chris Philip on Sky News earlier this week.


“There are 20 forms of ID that are acceptable,” he said. Those include passports, driving licences and various different travel cards.


The minister also cited the example of Northern Ireland, where a longstanding voter ID system was introduced owing to historical electoral abuse by sectarian groups.
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I don't think you're even allowed to vote here unless you have your actual ID on you, not even a driver's or whatever.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Would elections in SA be better with or without showing ID at the voter's station?
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No, keep voter ID. It's really the most basic thing to have when having an election.

I don't get why US/UK lose their **** about this all the time.
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
Tory scum still going to lose come elections, they can try change what they want
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I lol'd at those "gerrymandering" claims.

Okes definitely haven't experienced gerrymandering as we have with ANC trying to merge munis to win control over a non-ANC one (refer to uMngeni recently), or trying to change muni's council formats from executive mayor to executive committee to stop the opposition from taking the muni from ANC.
 
PrimeSteak said:
I don't understand the upheaval in other countries about implementing voter ID. The most basic thing when it comes to voting FFS.

Naturally, you need to be checked if you're an eligible voter before you can vote, otherwise, any oke who isn't can vote and **** with the system (illegals, tourists, etc).

The arguments in the article against this are plain stupid, they range from "But it's going to oppress the poor and minorities" to "Getting ID is hard".

Shem, if we as SA with a near-destroyed Home Affairs can get IDs and where 30% of the population live in poverty can get those ID and have them when voting then...

I mean, come on:


I don't think you're even allowed to vote here unless you have your actual ID on you, not even a driver's or whatever.
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
It's only a threat to people who can't get their affairs in order...like the requirement really isn't that strenuous.
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The issue that's causing the discussion isn't so much the ID requirement but the blatant manipulation of the rule. The Conservatives have tried to screw the system to allow plenty of ID types for old people (who more traditionally vote Tory) while restricting the ID types for young people (who more traditionally vote Labour/LibDem/Green).

There are some ridiculous examples like this


Oyster-Cards.jpg

Someone should try and explain these, Chris Philp has been asked and can't...
 
PrimeSteak said:
I don't understand the upheaval in other countries about implementing voter ID. The most basic thing when it comes to voting FFS.

Naturally, you need to be checked if you're an eligible voter before you can vote, otherwise, any oke who isn't can vote and **** with the system (illegals, tourists, etc).

The arguments in the article against this are plain stupid, they range from "But it's going to oppress the poor and minorities" to "Getting ID is hard".

Shem, if we as SA with a near-destroyed Home Affairs can get IDs and where 30% of the population live in poverty can get those ID and have them when voting then...

I mean, come on:


I don't think you're even allowed to vote here unless you have your actual ID on you, not even a driver's or whatever.
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Personally I always found it weird voting without ID, but then again that's the norm here. You don't even need to carry your drivers license when you drive.

A lot of the resistance is coming from people who feel the tories are suppressing groups that would be opposed to them. For example a pensioner railcard is seen as valid ID but a student/youth railcard isn't.

Then again you can also vote by mail......
 
Dave said:
The issue that's causing the discussion isn't so much the ID requirement but the blatant manipulation of the rule. The Conservatives have tried to screw the system to allow plenty of ID types for old people (who more traditionally vote Tory) while restricting the ID types for young people (who more traditionally vote Labour/LibDem/Green).

There are some ridiculous examples like this


Oyster-Cards.jpg

Someone should try and explain these, Chris Philp has been asked and can't...
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I saw this and had the same initial reaction. But apparently a 60 + Oyster card entitles you to a discount in travel fares so they require a lot more proof to verify your identity/age to get one.

I hate the tories with a passion but yeah, not sure if this is all that ridiculous.
 
There's been one case of voter ID fraud. One.
 
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