Britain is 'gambling its democracy' with voting changes, warn experts

The UK has never had an ID requirement in peacetime, the only time there has been compulsory ID was WW1 and WW2. An attempt to continue the ID scheme after WW2 was eventually scrapped because of Conservative Party resistance.

Labour tried to bring in a national ID card scheme in 2006 which was killed by the Conservatives as soon as they took power in 2010.

Suddenly the Conservatives want ID, because it suits their cause.
 
Dave said:
The issue that's causing the discussion isn't so much the ID requirement but the blatant manipulation of the rule. The Conservatives have tried to screw the system to allow plenty of ID types for old people (who more traditionally vote Tory) while restricting the ID types for young people (who more traditionally vote Labour/LibDem/Green).

There are some ridiculous examples like this


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Someone should try and explain these, Chris Philp has been asked and can't...
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I don't know British law, but an issue could be that the British supreme laws aren't gathered in a Constitution. The supreme law ought not be complicated. They need a better collective legal instrument to provide guidance on issues like this. I wouldn't say that is blatant manipulation, but a reinterpretation due to multiple legal avenues, so, yes, it could be open to abuse. I have no idea how they would go about incorporating their supreme laws into a collective since I am sure they appreciate the convenience bringing about amendments without making it process burdened. An index has the potential to provide superior guidance, citing new rules.

As I said, I have no idea how their things work, I only understand it conceptually.

Having a Constitution comes with its own problems, but it depends on how it is ironclad, because even that is open to interpretation, and how sections are viewed in advancing the law. Views evolve, or even regress depending on your society and how it is viewed externally. At times laws are deliberately made vague, which isn't always bad, but to allow compatibly with other laws.

Anyhow, went a bit OT.
 
Cray said:
I saw this and had the same initial reaction. But apparently a 60 + Oyster card entitles you to a discount in travel fares so they require a lot more proof to verify your identity/age to get one.

I hate the tories with a passion but yeah, not sure if this is all that ridiculous.
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Not a huge difference

18+ card

To be eligible for this Oyster photocard you must be:
  • a student aged 18 or over;
  • living a a London address during term time; and
  • enrolled with participating school, college or university that's registered on the TfL scheme.
You must also be one of the following:
  • enrolled on a full-time course including at least 15 tuition-led and/or structured learning hours a week (with attendance at scheduled classes being Monday to Friday only and not including evening classes) over a minimum of 14 weeks on the same course;
  • receiving NHS bursary money as a full-time student;
  • a full-time postgraduate student (for example, studying or writing up for 15 hours or more a week);
  • a full-time student registered and studying on a higher education course with an education establishment not registered on the scheme, but on mandatory work placement in London for at least 14 weeks. You must still be under the pastoral care of your education establishment;
  • a sabbatical officer; or
  • enrolled on a part-time course lasting a period of at least 14 weeks and either be a part-time student receiving NHS bursary money or a part-time postgraduate student receiving financial help from your education establishment as part of their Higher Education Council for England (HEFCE) discretionary additional support (such as Student Opportunity allocation or Access to Learning Fund).

60+ card

You need to provide:

  • Active email address
  • Details from your valid, machine-readable passport or your valid UK driving licence (full or provisional)
  • A colour image of your valid, machine-readable passport. This must be in .png or .jpg format and be less than 6MB. The image must show your photo, personal details and passport number
  • Digital photo of you which must be a .jpg, .bmp or .gif file and be less than 6MB
  • Debit or credit card registered at your address to confirm you live in a London borough and pay £20
If you don't have these, you can still apply online but may be asked to:
  • Print a verification letter and take it to a Post Office in London with proof of your age and address
  • Pay £20 at a Post Office
 
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