Calling all wireless providers

Mattyg

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I live in a massive 18 story block called Perspectives with about 500 tenants. We are looking into getting some sort of controlled wireless connection in the block and have had buy in from many many people.

We now need to find a provide a provider who could service our needs, it could be really profitable for the providers.

Any thoughts on this guys?
 
will see what i can do tomorrow morning and let you know
 
Mattyg go to www.paradyne.com or check out my other posts on DSLAM
devices. DSLAM is the way to go for more than 6 users in close proximity.
Wireless should really only be used for ptp links over a long distance or where digging up roads might not be feasable. Let me know what you think.
Wirless for 500 people will be extremely expensive and prone to RF interference.
With DSLAM all you need to do is run copperwire from flat to flat just like Telkom does.
Every single technology available to Telkom is available to us bandwidth starved
peasants. The WISP's are desperatly trying to squash the DSLAM info which is why
Rodent will probably make some sort of moronic comment on this post.
 
If the building is new it should have at least one network point in each apartment. From there, all you need to do is find the bandwidth. I would heartily recommend *anyone* other than Telkom, as their prices, naturally, suck. :)
 
captainwifi said:
The WISP's are desperatly trying to squash the DSLAM info which is why
Rodent will probably make some sort of moronic comment on this post.

Ehehe... :D So, I'm involved in a wisp now? What further conspiracies will you conjure up for us today? Besides which, cable modem's are cheaper and using existing RF cabling, it's an easier solution than having to recopper an entire complex.
 
the evil and moronic RoDent, once again fresh out of happy pills, desperately seeks to feather his own nest through a campaign of lies and displacements - his master's orders are clear: protect the highly sensitive dslam info with your life and reputation

who is he? where does he come from? and why is the man in the yellow hat so angry? see here, and here, there, there, and everywhere

.......
 
"Buggerit", muttered TheRoDent, as he popped some more dried frog pills and continued meandering through his evil lair. "This is a lovely party," exclaimed he to a well-hidden secret DSLAM, nestling into it's wisp-created secret hideout. "I wish I was here."
 
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thanks guys, besides the banter.the building is very new but not wired. What are the costs in setting up dslam?
 
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Mattyg - How many of the tenents will be using this internet access?
many many is ? 10, 20, 50,100, 500?
 
www.pat.co.za . They have done a pure Fiber Optic network installation in two closed residential villages and are considering DSLAM. Contact person is Johan 082 495 9047
JohanW would you perhaps mind telling me when did you do your very first DSLAM installation? How difficult is it to obtain Cape council permission to cut through a tar road? Nelspruit roads division have no problems with this. They have no idea what a VANS license or an ICASA mongrel is and couldn't care less. What marketing spin do you engage in when connecting two hotels across the road? How do you placate your clients irrational, illogical fears? I don't really think you can tell them about using fronting companies as explained at http://icasa.blogspot.com it might make you look like a 'pampoen'. And unlike www.wavestream.co.za you can't exactly spoof that “Icasa regularly measures our effective isotropic radiated power levels” hey? If anybody knows what are the next 'spin words' post on this site.

In your quest to sell DSLAM devices you have to engage in some sort of marketing balancing 'bull dusting' egg-dance to get copper wire crossing public roads. I can't what to see what it will be.

You might reply with:
“We will never do something illegal” But then again if my VANS license
application were part of the 400 'frozen' presently at Icasa I would also try and
stay below the radar.

In America Prof Phillip Johnson started what is known as the
'wedge' or intelligent design movement. The myth that if you wait 5billion years water will turn into people has been destroyed via the inability of the US government sponsored secular high priests to censor the Internet, exposing the Darwinian religious movement complete with their own plan of salvation and social agenda. It finally dawned on me that Charles Darwin managed to redefine the very meaning of language itself and this enabled him to define *** out of existence. The phrase Natural Selection occurs over million times in peer reviewed academic journals, functioning as some sort of universal mechanism explaining everything and thus nothing. Scientists have become mentally ill as routinely invoke the magic of NS in their vain attempts to describe something they don't understand. Much of the human language are simply not available to them given their philosophical presuppositions. 'blind, objective' words that per definition are associated with consciousness. Darwin managed to give flees and trees 'stealth' consciousness.
Is NS a cause or an effect? One professor emailed me that NS is an effect another that it is a 'cause'. But if it is a cause(or force) then what is the effect? And if it is an effect then what is the cause? This is the confusion that results from the arbitrary concatenation of two words and repetitive chanting of it over 300 times in The Origin of Species. Von Neumann advised on of his colleagues to use the term “entropy" because nobody knows what it really means. Sharks haven't changed because they "are excellently adapted to their particular niche in their environment." Does anyone know how this "excellent adaptation" was measured apart from observing that sharks haven't changed ? Fitness: If a pig had wheels mounted on ball bearings instead of trotters, would this place it lower or higher on a scale of porcine 'fitness'? Berlinski asked for just a single example of deriving 'fitness' from first principles. (He holds a PH.D in mathematics the most rigorous branch of science where invoking the 'selection force' NS are kept to the minimum)

Specifically this forum has enabled the great myth that you can't send data across the street to be destroyed.
 
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captainwifi, I think that you might have the wrong person. I do not know the contact person from the company that did the fibre installation. We did our first installation in December 2002 in a hotel in Cape Town.
Although we have had our share of issues with the PTT, there was always a way to operate within the boundries of the current law.
In an private residential the roads normally doesn't fall under the term of "public", thus crossing it is still within the law. The only concern is the supply of "services" within the residential, which is not possible without a VANS license, as you know. If you are amongst the lot of frozen applicants then find someone who has a valid license and partner on the project and make money without the constant worry about legal issues.
As to the rest of the politics, I leave to the politicians who find happiness and contentment in wasting time, money and effort to protect the ones who cannot afford to lose their grip on the South African ICT market.
 
Johanw I think you misread my post there. www.pat.co.za are totally different company from yours. The contact person there just happens to be Johan, they use Fiber Optics to connect closed private residences. I can understand the need for a VANS license by a commercial company building their brand name. My angle is that the barrier to entry for a community network is zero. A VANS license are irrelevant to residents interconnecting. You would obviously want to market yourself as the maintainer of the DSLAM networks and in building your brand you need to be assured that Telkom won't cut your bandwidth to the village, hence the Vans.
This raises the cost of doing business for everybody. One of the givens are that your target market are unable to understand anything really deep in life. Behold the marketing of consumer goods on Television where the meaning of music itself has been changed to reflect societies cultural and spiritual atrophication/. The gut wrenching filth that started with the Beatles has replaced Montovani , Paganini and Handles fireworks overture.
Witness millions of people 'jiving' at discos to an intoxicating brew of pig excrement.
Society are at the same cultural level as certain rural Chinese villages where there
is no such thing as toilet paper. Everybody has a chat in a communal circle with
the toilet maintainer ready with his hosepipe. Every disco needs to be flooded.

The first rule of doing business is to try and do it in such a way that nobody
feels threatened or offended. The commotion created on this forum when I said
to simply claim you have a VANS license did not exactly endear me to the
Wisps like www.webintact.com who actually went through
the hassle of uploading their Vans license !
 
Natural selection doesn't exist anymore. If it did. CaptainWiFi wouldn't have been here in the first place.
 
http://cbs2chicago.com/illinois/IL--ElectronicEars-in/resources_news_html
In Chicago, police hope the gunshot detection systems will add momentum to a technology-fueled crackdown on guns and gang violence. The city in 2004 reduced its homicide rate to its lowest level since 1965 and police seized 10,000 guns successes that were in large part credited to a network of ``pods,'' or remote-controlled cameras that can rotate 360 degrees and feed video directly to squad-car laptops. The SENTRI systems are an addition to that network.
The crime rates in Chicago are the lowest in 40 years. The price of keeping the community safe far outweighs civil liberty issues,'' Bond said.
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You can make your small contribution to protecting South-Africa's bandwidth by subscribing to a Wisp's that have 2.4ghz spectrum protection policy. What I want is not for www.webintact.com or www.uninetwork.co.za to upload me their Vans license but to prove to me that they are not jacking a 1watt power amp into a 5.8ghz 15dbi omni-antenna. Bandwidth is the key to transforming South-Africa. 2.4 is trashed, how long before 5.8 is destroyed? Crime free zones raises the value of property which means more taxes for local council so I can't see why permission will be denied for you to cut through that tar road in front of your house. If all else fails get some orange council jackets paint a bakkie with council insignia and cut through the road yourself.
Who would actually phone council to make certain that those people are real council employees? As long as you repair the road the police won't do anything to you. Get to know your local police they are not out to get civil society. Council might take civil action but that's why you use a fronting company. I am not going to pay anybody bribes, cutting through a tar road to lay a fiber optic cable, connecting two DSLAM's is a simple procedure. I can't see anybody actually phoning council to make trouble for you. Traffic police routinely cut through tar roads. Maybe you know some of them. The idea I am trying to get across here is not to accept no for an answer, there is always a way to prevent your wife from being raped, you just need the courage
to find it. The Chicago system has been branded SENTRI. They are
using Locustworld/ www.qorvus.com mesh technology. A stable secure platform that simply works. I believe www.sveasoft.com will
implement the Locust AODV/Hazy or some other Ad-hoc routing protocol into the WRT54G's soon.

http://www.communiverse.co.za/ would you mind giving us some
prices on your Zyxel DSLAM devices and what do you charge for linking Holiday Inn to the shopping mall across the public road without Icasa's permission? None of the networking companies I spoke to use DSLAM. All they know is Telkom uses it. One fiber optic networking firm even told me Telkom 'forbids anybody else from importing it'! :rolleyes:
 
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captainwifi said:
You can make your small contribution to protecting South-Africa's bandwidth by subscribing to a Wisp's that have 2.4ghz spectrum protection policy. What I want is not for www.webintact.com or www.uninetwork.co.za to upload me their Vans license but to prove to me that they are not jacking a 1watt power amp into a 5.8ghz 15dbi omni-antenna. Bandwidth is the key to transforming South-Africa. 2.4 is trashed, how long before 5.8 is destroyed?
I dont understand that?
 
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