Can someone do this in SA please!!!

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eternaloptimist

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Hi everyone
I have been looking to get into development but struggling to get a decent college in cape town. City varsity offer a course it's part time and I'm hoping for full-time. If anyone knows any other colleges that will preferably start asap I would be grateful.

*** I found this online and thought it would be cool if it were in SA. Can some of you organise something like this :) ? obviously depending on demand...http://www.makersquare.com/
 
eternaloptimist said:
Hi everyone
I have been looking to get into development but struggling to get a decent college in cape town. City varsity offer a course it's part time and I'm hoping for full-time. If anyone knows any other colleges that will preferably start asap I would be grateful.

*** I found this online and thought it would be cool if it were in SA. Can some of you organise something like this :) ? obviously depending on demand...http://www.makersquare.com/
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R130 000?
 
seems to be a lot of these "bootcamps". i also found Bloc which is also similar and they say you will be employable after their courses. Personally, I am not worried about being employed - I just want to create stuff.
I don't know which language I should learn!! From research this is the route that makes sense - HTML --- CSS --- JavaScript --- PHP --- MySQL.
I have done HTML, CSS and had started on PHP when I realised that I should have done JavaScript 1st :confused: . I am now thinking of jumping straight into Rails. Would you advise me to do JS 1st?
 
If you do web dev you should be able to do HTML/CSS/JS at a minimum as they are core to all functionality.

PHP/MySQL go hand in hand as I nearly everything runs on a DB and PHP allows you to do server side programming and DB interaction. Very nice for quick web building that is database driven (although many will argue the syntax etc makes you a bad developer).

Javascript is client side and is essential knowledge so I would say learn that first. Shouldn't take more than a day to learn. This will also allow you to understand AJAX, JQuery and other Javascript libraries which are also everywhere nowadays.
 
eternaloptimist said:
seems to be a lot of these "bootcamps". i also found Bloc which is also similar and they say you will be employable after their courses. Personally, I am not worried about being employed - I just want to create stuff.
I don't know which language I should learn!! From research this is the route that makes sense - HTML --- CSS --- JavaScript --- PHP --- MySQL.
I have done HTML, CSS and had started on PHP when I realised that I should have done JavaScript 1st :confused: . I am now thinking of jumping straight into Rails. Would you advise me to do JS 1st?
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Besides the extremely high prices of these "bootcamps" I honestly don't think there is anything you could learn from them that you can't learn online. Personally if someone came to me saying they did a "bootcamp" and so they are now employable would be laughable at best.

There is no substitute for a proper degree that gives you the essential foundations for proper development and years of hands on experience from working with the tech day in and day out. Hell I'd rather employ someone who has been hobby programming for a year than someone who attended one of these bootcamps; at least they would have showed a passion for continual learning rather than someone with more money than brains.
 
i wouldn't say it's an either or. you could do online learning and attend a boot camp or whatever it's not mutually exclusive.

3 months of intensive training is pretty impressive. if they're doing hackathons over weekends and stuff too they are getting a crap load of stuff done.

the thing i like about it is they are making things. not just starting and then doing something else they actually complete things.
 
^^vampire^^ said:
If you do web dev you should be able to do HTML/CSS/JS at a minimum as they are core to all functionality.

PHP/MySQL go hand in hand as I nearly everything runs on a DB and PHP allows you to do server side programming and DB interaction. Very nice for quick web building that is database driven (although many will argue the syntax etc makes you a bad developer).

Javascript is client side and is essential knowledge so I would say learn that first. Shouldn't take more than a day to learn. This will also allow you to understand AJAX, JQuery and other Javascript libraries which are also everywhere nowadays.
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You must have a eidetic memory or something. :erm: Claiming a guy will understand javascript in a day properly, is idiotic at best and that's being kind.

FYI its no longer only in the domain of the client side anymore.
 
^^vampire^^ said:
If you do web dev you should be able to do HTML/CSS/JS at a minimum as they are core to all functionality.

PHP/MySQL go hand in hand as I nearly everything runs on a DB and PHP allows you to do server side programming and DB interaction. Very nice for quick web building that is database driven (although many will argue the syntax etc makes you a bad developer).

Javascript is client side and is essential knowledge so I would say learn that first. Shouldn't take more than a day to learn. This will also allow you to understand AJAX, JQuery and other Javascript libraries which are also everywhere nowadays.
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edit: seems this was already brought up more eloquently :)
 
I am doing a course online with Treehouse,Codeschool and some random netuts videos. my download speeds are doing my head in though. soooo slow to stream ... makes me miss my 120mb line :cry:
 
eternaloptimist said:
I am doing a course online with Treehouse,Codeschool and some random netuts videos. my download speeds are doing my head in though. soooo slow to stream ... makes me miss my 120mb line :cry:
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Where did you live that you had a 120mbit line?
 
We have bootcamps it South Africa, but not as extravagant as that one. Here you sit in a class instead of a house.
But the irony is funny. Because, they prepare you for your inevitable job within a dev (ware)house.

Not saying it's bad, but rather go through a proper institution to learn. I'll be more recognized than someone saying: "This one time, at bootcamp...".

^^vampire^^ said:
If you do web dev you should be able to do HTML/CSS/JS at a minimum as they are core to all functionality.

PHP/MySQL go hand in hand as I nearly everything runs on a DB and PHP allows you to do server side programming and DB interaction. Very nice for quick web building that is database driven (although many will argue the syntax etc makes you a bad developer).

Javascript is client side and is essential knowledge so I would say learn that first. Shouldn't take more than a day to learn. This will also allow you to understand AJAX, JQuery and other Javascript libraries which are also everywhere nowadays.
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Perhaps to learn how to spell JavaScript.
 
eternaloptimist said:
Hi everyone
I have been looking to get into development but struggling to get a decent college in cape town. City varsity offer a course it's part time and I'm hoping for full-time. If anyone knows any other colleges that will preferably start asap I would be grateful.

*** I found this online and thought it would be cool if it were in SA. Can some of you organise something like this :) ? obviously depending on demand...http://www.makersquare.com/
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Something like this does exist. The only caveat is that if you want to go to a dev bootcamp in SA, the only place you'll really find one is in Cape Town and that is also the only area where you'll really be able to find a job as well.

I couldn't find them at first, but here is the link: http://www.iexperience.co.za/

Couple of things you should keep in mind though. SA loves degrees, most countries love degrees, even the biggest tech companies in the world love (CS) degrees too. Bootcamps teaching you Ruby, Rails, JS, HTML and CSS are gearing you more towards a startup career, where there are awesome opportunities, just not in South Africa (being an Irish person, you'd be better of going back to London with these skills - and yes, I know that London is in England and not Ireland, but you should still be allowed in there without a visa?).

As far as everyone suggesting you learn online, the links they provide are awesome and some of the sites really teach you the basics well. Beyond the basics though, you will be doing stuff the old-fashion way of lurking through tutorials all over forums, etc. (right now I'm learning algorithms and data structures on my own). As far as employability, no dev will hire you as a junior if you use codecademy/other-online-course as your sole reference, unless of course you've got 20+ projects built that are genuine and not "redid-the-tutorial-demo" project.

Good luck!
 
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