Can you resign by email?

Ancalagon said:
Employment is a two way street. All of you are assuming that the OP works for a "normal" company. Sounds like he doesnt, sounds like they treated him bad. In which case, I would not feel bad at all about not putting my best in.
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Gotta think further than your nose though. Suck it up and move on amicably in my opinion...
 
DJ... said:
Gotta think further than your nose though. Suck it up and move on amicably in my opinion...
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Why? Someone treats you bad, you just say "Yes sir, give me some more sir". No, you dont. You dont let people walk all over you.
 
Ancalagon said:
Why? Someone treats you bad, you just say "Yes sir, give me some more sir". No, you dont. You dont let people walk all over you.
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Sure, but two wrongs don't make a right and when you act like a dick afterwards, they can not only make your life hell, but potentially put across a negative impression to future employers who call for a reference. While they can't by law give a bad reference, it does happen, and often its what's NOT said that is important...
 
Ancalagon said:
Employment is a two way street. All of you are assuming that the OP works for a "normal" company. Sounds like he doesnt, sounds like they treated him bad. In which case, I would not feel bad at all about not putting my best in.
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First company I worked for sucked the life out of me. Hated them with a passion. They hired some other other guy which I had to train in some cases but refused to give any increase because they paid his relocation costs. Also schnied me and this other chick out of 2 weeks pay.


....still needed their reference though.
 
We've all worked for schitty companies/bosses before. But that feeling that you got one over them by fscking with your work schedules or the like only exists in your mind. Like I said, they couldn't give a hoot about you once you've left, until it comes to reference time. It might take him 3 weeks to respond to reference requests. It might come back with dates and position only. It might result in a lengthy conversation about your work ethic (legalities aside here). Not worth it...
 
Just remember that whatever industry you work in, word and reputation gets around. What would happen if your new employer hear of this?
 
Grow up a little boys...

If you have a crap boss and leave after a month you won't miss that on your CV. However if you were there 5 years you can't akip ocer that.

The boss certainly won't say more that .... Yes, X worked here from...until... And then won't discuss further


= a negative ref
 
You people seem to think that employers are scared of providing a bad reference. As much as it is illegal, it happens, and it happens often. Some of you might have been employed because of this or some of you didn't get a call back from the 18th recruitment consultant because of it. Believe what you like about the law and the enforcement of this law - it still happens. Often...
 
There is no such thing as stress leave. If a medical practioner puts you off its sick leave, if they put you off on an extended period of leave thats Temporary incapacity leave, and yes you can be liable for this but not for mental illness or TB infections. However if you came to me and said stress I would FIRE you. For reference I will simply state the reality, "left employment for stress related illness as per psychiatrist with accordance of mental illness health act."

Secondly you cannot do anything legal without paper. The company will require a signed declaration of voluntary termination of employment. Its not because they want to make your life hard and waste your time its to safe guard themselves from the CCMA because some fkers out there resign then cant get a job or new company tells em to piss of suddendly then they go back to old employer and say "i want my job back" employer says "no" employee goes to CCMA claiming they never officially resigned and never get 30 notice of forced termination of employment from employer.

Really, stress leave rofl, if you dont have a cardiac condition or extreme depression you sir are a fraud and lazy. Gosh how I hate employees that dont appreciate their jobs but sit there do no work then fake sick leave and hold the spots for people that are willing to work, then they expect good references and better pay. How sad, this is what happens when you allow people not good enough to have a job they not suppose to hint hint quota systems ... yes I went there.
 
Hansolo said:
Yes I would agree that it isn't the best but this is a pretty evil company it is pretty well documented. It's a very large company they wouldn't even miss me an inch, they're just being petty.

A psychatrist can book you off for as he deems fit, we're not all super human we break down wear out it's no fun I've been there.
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Shoprite Holdings?
 
Plus it is in the employment act that you cannot serve your resignation or work your notice period while on leave.

Personally I think you planned this horribly. Even if your employer is a downright dick you need to man up and do the right thing on your side. I wouldn't want to hire someone like you.
If your employer decides to even say over the phone that they prefer not to comment on you I would take that as a red flag and prefer not to hire you. Even if your current employer is at fault and has treated you badly the way you have gone about this really points to you being the one in the wrong and it makes you look like the bad person.
 
ChilliGirl said:
Grow up a little boys...

If you have a crap boss and leave after a month you won't miss that on your CV. However if you were there 5 years you can't akip ocer that.

The boss certainly won't say more that .... Yes, X worked here from...until... And then won't discuss further


= a negative ref
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Whenever I've been asked for a reference I'm always asked if I'd employ that person again. All I'd need to say is that I wouldn't employ them again, that's factual and no one can sue over that. It also really gets the point across. (Luckily for me, I've never had anyone that I wouldn't re-employ).
 
marco79 said:
Just remember that whatever industry you work in, word and reputation gets around. What would happen if your new employer hear of this?
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See this is the kind of thinking I dont like.

How many people have told you about that guy at their work, or their boss, who is an absolute P***k (excuse the language). Like the kind of guy that sexually harrasses employees and makes everyone around him feel s**t.

Most of you. Either you know someone in that position, or you are, or were, in that position yourself.

So the question I ask to those people is, what are you going to do about it?

"Oh nothing, it will just make things worse. No I dont want to make waves. I might look for something else on the side."

And you know what? Thats why bosses like that get away with what they do, because nobody stands up to them. People dont magically get power over other people - those people have to give power to them. This is what is happening, and this is why I say, if a boss treats you badly, you make sure he knows about it, that his superior knows about it, that everybody knows about it.

This kind of thinking is why so many of these bosses still exist - because nobody tells them otherwise.

If you worry about what everyone thinks of you, you become a doormat. Yes its a small world and that boss probably has connections, but do I want to work for any of his connections either? If they are like him, probably not.

So lets turn the question on its head - what would happen if your new employer were to hear that you were badly treated at your old job?

Perhaps you could argue that your "loyalty" (nobody has any these days, neither employers nor employees) is to the company and not your boss, so performing poorly at your job to spite your boss is ill aimed. I would accept that. Perhaps it would still be a good idea to be professional and come into work on time and all that. However, I would never be civil or nice to such a boss. He would know exactly where he stands with me.
 
Ancalagon said:
When I say work, I mean come in at 10AM, leave at 3. They cant do anything to you. If they give you a warning, so what?
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You can still be fired while working your resignation period in.


I would have thought that you could resign by email as long as it was an official letter (attached and not written in the body of the email) with your signature on the actual letter. I still think it is a bit *****ty to resign by email.

I would think that the company would need proof that it was actually you resigning and not someone who got hold of your email account and who was jut trying to mess with your "stressed" head.
 
Never burn your bridges.

Years ago I knew a guy who left under bad circumstances, pissed off his manager etc. Eventually his ex manager resigned as well and started at the company the guy was at - only to be his manager there as well!
It didnt end well! :)
 
Turning the other cheek and doing what is right is a better display than retaliation. No one ever earned respect through being petty or vengeful. This should be about how you see yourself not how your boss sees you.

Btw, with reference to that statement of not being able to serve notice while on leave... Looks like you're screwed. Not going to be getting a salary this month if u want to keep ur deadline with the new company
 
lol learn to appreciate your job? it might not be the best job in the world but at least you have one. Must remember if you an employee there are many many many people to replace you, thats why the boss doesnt care. Especially if you unskilled
 
DJ... said:
You will have to sign various documents. You can notify them of your intent to resign by email, but to be honest, that's a little weak. And if you do not work your notice period, they can most certainly take it from your leave days.

And let me get this straight - you went on "stress leave" and went for interviews and accepted another job? And you don't want to work your notice that you agreed? And you resigned by email, all of a sudden? And you have the audacity to question the legalities of their actions? Sounds to me like you're lucky someone would want to hire you in the first place...:erm:
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That's a bit harsh. Obviously from someone who has worked for companies all his life
 
Its called work ethic not being harsh
 
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