Cancel e-toll project: DA

[Derrick]

Cancel e-toll project says DA

The DA called for the cancellation of the e-tolls project in the Gauteng provincial legislature on Tuesday...

 

[IRVING]

“It can be collected by the five oil refiners, which will decrease the cost of collection from the estimated R13 billion to almost zero.”

if that is the case then by all means let them cancel the tolls and increase the fuel levy

 

[Creag]

“It can be collected by the five oil refiners, which will decrease the cost of collection from the estimated R13 billion to almost zero.”

if that is the case then by all means let them cancel the tolls and increase the fuel levy

But if the ANC and/or government has financial involvement in this, then the answer will be a definite "no".

Also, there is probably a lot of pride at stake in this, which they do not want to hurt.

Everyone knows the decision was lekker stupid (including the architects of this elephant in the room), but they are doing their damnedest to avoid admitting so.

 

[Chevron]

The one argument I hate is the "why make the whole country pay?" one. The point is SANRAL is supposed to look after all the roads in the country. Rather a fuel levy than e-tolls for freeway improvement projects for pofadder, cape town, nelspruit, durban, bloemfontein, kimberley.

It's so obvious this was meant to enrich an already rich few.

 

[grok]

The DA haven't taken into consideration the amount of money that exchanged hands behind the scenes .. who's gonna pay the bribes and inflated tenders when they balance the math like that?

Just shows you silly white people have no clue how government contracts work under the ANC.

 

[JStrike]

if that is the case then by all means let them cancel the tolls and increase the fuel levy

Hell no. Unless it is levy just on Guateng fuel, many people would be against it. Especially people from the WC

 

[Chevron]

Hell no. Unless it is levy just on Guateng fuel, many people would be against it. Especially people from the WC

So when it's WC's turn to upgrade their roads you guys wants tolls as well?

People like you are so close minded. SANRAL is supposed to maintain the county's roads. Not just Gautengs. By your way of thinking the whole country will have tolls.

Great idea.

 

[Freaksta]

So when it's WC's turn to upgrade their roads you guys wants tolls as well?

People like you are so close minded. SANRAL is supposed to maintain the county's roads. Not just Gautengs. By your way of thinking the whole country will have tolls.

Great idea.

They could implement a regional fuel levy in the WC when the time comes. TBH I don't know why they need extra money, they already have so many levys and taxes it should come from that!

 

[Speedster]

Why don't the DA can the Chappies toll saga then?

 

[Sodan]

Hell no. Unless it is levy just on Guateng fuel, many people would be against it. Especially people from the WC

That's sort of what the DA means by "ring-fencing".

 

[Ockie]

Why don't the DA can the Chappies toll saga then?

I actually read a tweet from Helen the other day to a guy that asked the same question. She basically said that Chappies is a luxary (and requires lots of maintenance from those awful rock falls etc...my input..not hers) and not a neccesity. The choice was to either close it or toll it. Put that way...it makes sense. It is a very big tourist attraction mainly. Not for people to get to work and make a living I think.

 

[Speedster]

I actually read a tweet from Helen the other day to a guy that asked the same question. She basically said that Chappies is a luxary (and requires lots of maintenance from those awful rock falls etc...my input..not hers) and not a neccesity. The choice was to either close it or toll it. Put that way...it makes sense. It is a very big tourist attraction mainly. Not for people to get to work and make a living I think.

And why the need to build an office park there?

 

[Ockie]

And why the need to build an office park there?

That was covered in a thread in CA iirc....but cant remember the details now.

PS: Hands off Tannie Zille! I will cut you! Kidding

 

[zamicro]

I vote for a fuel levy. Makes the most sense to me.

 

[Bern]

Hell no. Unless it is levy just on Guateng fuel, many people would be against it. Especially people from the WC

Don't be short-sighted, a regional levy although the neatest theoretical option would be harder to implement and Gauteng already subsidies most of the rest of the country, so not really realistic (they can argue that all their funds should be ring-fenced). Just think about unintended consequences like anyone near a provincial border and how many business will have to close or relocate (petrol stations and the associated shops) due to this alone (crossing over the line to fill up at a lower rate).

Why don't the DA can the Chappies toll saga then?

Wow you don't pay attention at all do you? Chapman's was going to be closed, it cost more than half of the entire WC road bill. There is a main route via Ou Kaapse weg, Chappies is actually an alternative, very dangerous route. Therefore WC gov decided someone else can foot the bill for a tourist attraction. It not exactly a major thoroughfare now is it? You really want to compare a road with 20 users a day to the Gauteng freeways? Chappies closed = no affect on anyone getting to work etc, Gauteng freeways closed can you say the same?


What we really need on top of this is more transparency, publish EVERYTHING - all financials of all government agencies and parastatals. What on earth do they need to keep away from the public anyway? then let others analyse it and make up their minds on if something untoward is going on.

 

[Chevron]

They could implement a regional fuel levy in the WC when the time comes. TBH I don't know why they need extra money, they already have so many levys and taxes it should come from that!

How do you think the roads we have now were built? It wasn't with tolls. It was with levies. It's the right way to do it.

 

[j4ck455]

The point is SANRAL is supposed to look after all the roads in the country.

According to SANRAL (its website), SANRAL's mandate does not include all of the roads in the country, SANRAL's mandate is specifically limited to national roads only.

Taking that into account, the existing fuel levy which is applied nationally, is the only sensible way to fund SANRAL's national road improvement projects.

As a consequence of SANRAL's mandate being limited to national roads only, the so called "alternate routes" or back roads that Gordhan says we the public must use instead of etolled roads, are not SANRAL's responsibility to maintain and improve.

OUTA should petition the Constitutional Court to disregard any claims of adequacy of roads that are not part of SANRAL's mandate since SANRAL will not maintain and improve any of these so called "alternate routes", only roads that fall within SANRAL's mandate should be considered as possible alternate routes to etolled roads, and if all the roads maintained by SANRAL throughout Gauteng are etolled it is then logical to conclude that there are no alternate routes to etolled roads.

 

[Chevron]

According to SANRAL (its website), SANRAL's mandate does not include all of the roads in the country, SANRAL's mandate is specifically limited to national roads only.

Taking that into account, the existing fuel levy which is applied nationally, is the only sensible way to fund SANRAL's national road improvement projects.

As a consequence of SANRAL's mandate being limited to national roads only, the so called "alternate routes" or back roads that Gordhan says we the public must use instead of etolled roads, are not SANRAL's responsibility to maintain and improve.

OUTA should petition the Constitutional Court to disregard any claims of adequacy of roads that are not part of SANRAL's mandate since SANRAL will not maintain and improve any of these so called "alternate routes", only roads that fall within SANRAL's mandate should be considered as possible alternate routes to etolled roads, and if all the roads maintained by SANRAL throughout Gauteng are etolled it is then logical to conclude that there are no alternate routes to etolled roads.

Thank you. I did not know this.

 

[JStrike]

So when it's WC's turn to upgrade their roads you guys wants tolls as well?

People like you are so close minded. SANRAL is supposed to maintain the county's roads. Not just Gautengs. By your way of thinking the whole country will have tolls.

Great idea.

Yep, we will pay for our own roads, Gauteng can pay for theirs

 

[Chevron]

Yep, we will pay for our own roads, Gauteng can pay for theirs

Ok cool. Then give us back the money we've spent on your roads. Gauteng contributes more to taxes than any other province.