Canon's new fullframe camera

When I first read the rumours that it would only have an 11 point AF system with a single cross type I figured it had to be a joke - now that it's been confirmed I have to think canon lost the plot.
 
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/17/canon-eos-6d-dslr/

What do you guys think??
I was hoping for a 60d replacement but is also good news.

Spoken like a true Nikonista. :)

Specs don't look bad, although the AF seems a bit lightweight maybe?

Wonder what it would retail for here, probably around R20k-ish.

Not that I'm interested in full-frame mind you, still have my eyes on a 7D. :)



EDIT/ ah, the resident photo master beat to the AF comment :p
 
When I first read the rumours that it would only have an 11 point AF system with a single cross type I figured it had to be a joke - now that it's been confirmed I have to think canon lost the plot.

Canon Rumour specs are different:

•22mp (Same sensor as 5D3)
•19 AF Points
•4fps
•ISO 100-51200
•3″ LCD
•Smaller than the 5D Mark II
•More Plastic than metal in the construction
•Pop-Up Flash (On at least one prototype)
•$1999 USD at launch
•Launched with a new non-L full frame kit lens (Undisclosed what the lens is)
•Compatible with full frame STM lenses
Its also weather sealed according to snapsort and will have live view.
 
Canon Rumour specs are different:

•22mp (Same sensor as 5D3)
•19 AF Points
•4fps
•ISO 100-51200
•3″ LCD
•Smaller than the 5D Mark II
•More Plastic than metal in the construction
•Pop-Up Flash (On at least one prototype)
•$1999 USD at launch
•Launched with a new non-L full frame kit lens (Undisclosed what the lens is)
•Compatible with full frame STM lenses
Its also weather sealed according to snapsort and will have live view.
Some rumour sites had different specs but the camera has since been announced and 11 it is.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/17/Canon-EOS-6D-preview-20MP-full-frame
Canon EOS 6D key specifications

20.2MP full frame CMOS sensor
DIGIC 5+ image processor
ISO 100-25600 standard, 50-102800 expanded
4.5 fps continuous shooting
'Silent' shutter mode
1080p30 video recording, stereo sound via external mic
11 point AF system, center point cross-type and sensitive to -3 EV
63 zone iFCL metering system
97% viewfinder coverage; interchangeable screens (including Eg-D grid and Eg-S fine-focus)
1040k dot 3:2 3" ClearView LCD (fixed)
Single SD card slot
Built-in Wi-Fi and GPS
Single-axis electronic level

With a MSRP of $2,099.00 it's only $100 less than the 5DMk2.
 
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The only reason for this cameras existence is the D600... and I think the D600 will beat it in every way :twisted:
 
The only reason for this cameras existence is the D600... and I think the D600 will beat it in every way :twisted:

You might want to read a spec sheet or two lest you start sounding too much like a fanboy. Each has it's own strengths. ;)
 
When I first read the rumours that it would only have an 11 point AF system with a single cross type I figured it had to be a joke - now that it's been confirmed I have to think canon lost the plot.

You made it sound like Canon ever had the plot. If they did, the 5DmkII would have had, at the very least, the AF system from the 40D/50D, which have only 9 AF points but all are cross-type f/2.8. But they didn't bother.
 
I actually think I prefer my 7D over this 6D ...
 
You made it sound like Canon ever had the plot. If they did, the 5DmkII would have had, at the very least, the AF system from the 40D/50D, which have only 9 AF points but all are cross-type f/2.8. But they didn't bother.
You have to admit they took a leap forward with the Mk3 in that regards - this is just a major regression in my books.
 
You have to admit they took a leap forward with the Mk3 in that regards - this is just a major regression in my books.

Agreed. It only took them 6 years though. IMHO, they have no excuse for not shipping the 5D2 with decent AF. The competing D700 had been on the market for almost 3 years with the same AF as the D3, so the standard had been set.

If it wasn't for the AF, I would have been happy with 5D2. Ditto 6D.
 
Yeah, I'm not really sure where Canon is headed with this set of trade-offs.

I can sort of understand the built-in GPS (although it does not really appeal to me), but built-in wi-fi?

I guess you could use some wi-fi remote control, but this seems a little pointless in the field ...
... and why would you be using the 6D in a studio? Surely then you would want something that does not force you use focus-and-recompose?

I thought Nikon was pushing their luck with the 39-pt AF for FF on the D600, but this is just silly.
 
I can sort of understand the built-in GPS (although it does not really appeal to me), but built-in wi-fi?

If you can tether it wirelessly, that could be cool. I'm not so much thinking of studio, but loooooong exposures and/or time lapses could be interesting. Exposure bracketing beyond what the camera allows, etc. Pretty much anything you need the USB cable for.

... and why would you be using the 6D in a studio?

Not sure I see why not. That's probably the one situation where the AF wouldn't be relevant. I mean, medium format cameras are not known for their awesome autofocus. :)

Yes, it doesn't have a PC sync port, but then you get these adapters that you put on the hot-shoe that gives you a port. In the dark days when I was between two DSLR's, I used one of those to do off-camera flash with my G9.

Surely then you would want something that does not force you use focus-and-recompose?

You would think that. But if you spend some time reading the 5D forums on dpreview, you'll find a stupidly large number of people who believe that "center-point focus, recompose" is how real photographers do it. Probably because they've never owned a camera that does a decent job of focus on anything other than the center point. The 40D/50D's AF is better than the 5D/5D2's AF in every way. It's cross type all round, it has a better spread, it's faster, it's a heck of a lot more accurate, particularly on the outer points.

I understand that maybe, at the time of the original 5D, it being based on the 10D or 20D, that that AF system might have been acceptible for mid-range body. But the 5D2 is based on the 40D. That they didn't at least use the 40D's AF system is unforgiveable.

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now.
 
You would think that. But if you spend some time reading the 5D forums on dpreview, you'll find a stupidly large number of people who believe that "center-point focus, recompose" is how real photographers do it.
One word: todlers
I have no idea how the F&R crowd deal with them. Maybe they just stick to f/8. Or more likely, sunny 16 :)
 
One word: todlers

May be, but some of the are working photographers. I won't judge them for how they go about using their cameras. If it works for them, that's cool. But there's a prevailing attitude that Canon should leave the sh*tty 9-point focus alone because *they* use only the center point. Just like the crowd that always freak out whenever anyone mentiones having and using Auto-ISO in M mode. FFS, you'd swear someone was going to force them to use it.

I have no idea how the F&R crowd deal with them. Maybe they just stick to f/8. Or more likely, sunny 16 :)

F&R?
 
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F&R = Focus & Recompose

On my D40 I had no choice but to use F&R, but I think we agree that the whole point is to enable the photographer to use the camera as he sees fit ( hypocrisy alert on my wi-fi comment earlier ...)

Anyhow, we will see how the sensor on the 6D checks out, but it seems to be a step back from the 5D2 at being a camera.
 
Ha ha! I completely misunderstood you - thought you referred to the F&R crowd as toddlers :)

Then agian, my dad pulled it off with manual focus :)
 
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