Cape Council booted off Gateway Project

Angelo said:
she has scrapped a BEE compliance requirement for tenders which is sad given the economic disparities that still exist in that city.
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This doesn't apply only to the WC but too life in general.

Your house needs painting. Do you get a BEE company to do it? Or do you consider a couple of quotes and choose the one that gives you the best price for the quality and timing appropriate to the amount you're going to pay? And itsn't it the same for all the other services you use - like the garden service.

Now, if you are happy that's how you make purchasing decisions in your home, why wouldn't it make the same sense at a municipal level? I want the road maintained at the best price/quality point today. I want the rubbish removed every Monday and for that I pay R... So why should I pay more for the service I require in the name of BEE.

And let's face it - are the employees of a BEE company bettter off than in a non-BEE company? Do they get paid more? Are their conditions any better? I suggest not. So all that BEE is doing is adding costs and enriching just a few.

It is justifiable to scrap the BEE requirement. It doesn't add anything except cost. By the same token - we don't just give business to the non-BEE company because they're white owned - we do it because it is the service we require at the price we accept at the time that is right.

Consider that allowing a premium of up to 20% for awarding a BEE contract doesn't suddenly mean that there is 20% more being collected in rates and taxes - it means that some other areas are going to suffer to the tune of 20% (this is not a lesson in maths and may be overly simplified - but it illustrates the point).

I guess it would bring to why there is politics in a municipality? What does it add? All I want is for competent people to run my immediate environment properly. Sure, they need to look after the needs of ALL the citizens - but why is it political. I don't have a DA road outside my house. My refuse doesn't vote so why should it worry who takes it away?
 
Toxin said:
Please supply links (online news or otherwise) where the "racist city" tag has been used. I've haven't heard/read of that one yet.
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The Deputy President was in Cape Town a few months back and appealed to all residents to welcome everyone regardless of race so that the city could shed its racist image. She even said most of the black people living in the Cape Town townships are made to feel unwelcome when they visit the city itself.

And haven't you seen this Racist attack in the Cape story or are just in denial about the racism that plagues the city? No wonder people burst at the mere whisper of the word 'racism' here in the forum because they are ashamed or in denial of its existence and would rather sweep it under the carpet.

That's why this topic was NEVER posted or discussed in this forum despite making national headlines. What a shame!
 
Memorial of Steve Biko

The man you asked me to speak about today had other sides. He became so engulfed in the struggle for the emancipation of the black-folk that it immersed him into blind white hatred and dismissal towards any form of unity on common struggles. We cannot leave this sides unturned. We cannot turn a blind eye to this facts, authored by him and adored by many who, misled by this champion of black-racism on whites, even refused disarmament believing that a negotiated compromise is not a possibility. This is an ideal and value you should refuse to learn.

The man you also asked me to speak about suffered from a narrow nationalism syndrome. A syndrome that refused to believe that the black man was oppressed equally because of his cheap labour power and that this was also a class struggle. Biko the valuable man was also a man trapped in the misleading of backwardness, which he confused with culture. he continuously referred to white SA as the Coca-Cola and Hamburger generation and denied the fact that this was post-primitive SA, and that Imperialism is knocking on SA’s door. This was to be fatal.
http://www.sacp.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=153&Itemid=92
 
The attack didnt happen in CT, it happend in a small town, and it wasnt even a racist attack, how can white on white be racist?

"How can a white person be racist towards another white person? She should not expect the community to like her because she is a quota player. She is being used," he said.

"She received 21 votes in the local government elections; she obviously had not done anything to impress anyone. Surely everything cannot be racist?"
 
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Always Harping/RACISM AT THE RACISM CONFERENCE

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/racism_slavery_terrorism.htm
RACISM AT THE RACISM CONFERENCE
The South African President, Thabo Mbeki, in his address to the conference, lifted up a good standard: "we are determined to ensure that nobody anywhere should be subjected to the insult and offence of being despised by another or others because of his or her race, colour, nationality or origin … every human being should enjoy rights as equals with other human beings … no culture or language or tradition of any people is inferior, deserving of being despised, mocked or destroyed, all peoples and all nations are mutually and each equally entitled to their identity and their national pride …" 9

Unfortunately, having advocated non-racialism, the ANC president then proceeded to berate whites! In his speech, Mbeki regularly referred to the victims of racism as "black and brown", and the villains guilty of racism as "white". Statements by other delegates exposed the pervasive perception that only whites could be racists, or even that "all whites are racists!" and that no black person could be guilty of racism! All of which seemed rather racist comments and self-contradictory.

MUGABE’S RACISM AND STATE-SPONSORED ANARCHY IN ZIMBABWE
Some delegates at the WCAR wore T-shirts supporting Zimbabwean dictator, Robert Mugabe. "Mugabe is Right!" declared one T-shirt showing an angry Mugabe with a raised, clenched fist. Yet as one South African delegate, Dene Smuts, pointed out, Mugabe is guilty of the most vicious racism against whites and against Jews. With Mugabe’s disastrous policy of state-sponsored anarchy, with the stealing and looting of farms and businesses, murder of farmers and opposition members, terrorising of Supreme Court justices, bombing of opposition newspaper offices, imprisoning of critics and reckless promotion of racial hatred against whites and Jews – it remains a mystery as to why Zimbabwe was not on the Racism Conference’s agenda. 10
 
Angelo said:
The Deputy President was in Cape Town a few months back and appealed to all residents to welcome everyone regardless of race so that the city could shed its racist image. She even said most of the black people living in the Cape Town townships are made to feel unwelcome when they visit the city itself.

And haven't you seen this Racist attack in the Cape story or are just in denial about the racism that plagues the city? No wonder people burst at the mere whisper of the word 'racism' here in the forum because they are ashamed or in denial of its existence and would rather sweep it under the carpet.

That's why this topic was NEVER posted or discussed in this forum
despite making national headlines. What a shame!
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Stop this BS about racism, if you dig deep enough you can get many instances where racism affected all ppl in South Africa not just blacks...last post/o and by the way racism is not the thread topic.
 
@Angelo

I asked you in a earlier post more or less what province you live in?
No answer?

I am thinking that you do not live in the Western Cape as had you lived here you would know that the link provided does not refer to Cape Town and the topic at hand and is little dorpie quite a way to the east from Cape Town itself.

Please add constructive criticism or leave this topic.
Your remarks have added a racist connotation to my thread.
My Thread.

I have lived in Cape Town my whole life and unless you know what is going on in this town, rather butt out.
Thanks. :)
BTTB
 
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Angelo said:
The Deputy President was in Cape Town a few months back and appealed to all residents to welcome everyone regardless of race so that the city could shed its racist image. She even said most of the black people living in the Cape Town townships are made to feel unwelcome when they visit the city itself.

And haven't you seen this Racist attack in the Cape story or are just in denial about the racism that plagues the city? No wonder people burst at the mere whisper of the word 'racism' here in the forum because they are ashamed or in denial of its existence and would rather sweep it under the carpet.

That's why this topic was NEVER posted or discussed in this forum despite making national headlines. What a shame!
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Just a couple of things:

1. I asked for links to where Cape Town was discribed as a "Racist City".
2. The article you supplied was published yesterday, if you had known about it yesterday why didn't you link to it or start a thread about it yesterday since it was, as you put it, "making national headlines"?
3. I will be the first to admit that I don't read/listen to the news that much. This is something that I wished to rectify by reading news articles posted in this forum. So your "living in denial" comment I'll give a skip as I'm not all knowing and don't peruse each and every news site known to man.
 
BTTB said:
@Angelo

I asked you in a earlier post more or less what province you live in?
No answer?

I am thinking that you do not live in the Western Cape as had you lived here you would know that the link provided does not refer to Cape Town and the topic at hand and is little dorpie quite a way to the east from Cape Town itself.

Please add constructive criticism or leave this topic.
Your remarks have added a racist connotation to my thread.
My Thread.
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Technically it's my thread but you are a mod :D
BTTB said:
I have lived in Cape Town my whole life and unless you know what is going on in this town, rather butt out.
Thanks. :)
BTTB
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What would be absolutely awesome here is a moderation system like that used on Slashdot - where the majority readers gets to award mod points and a reason (such as trolling, insightful, interesting, etc). Then I can just mark my threshold high enough to avoid all the trolling posts.
 
neio said:
The attack didnt happen in CT, it happend in a small town, and it wasnt even a racist attack, how can white on white be racist?

"How can a white person be racist towards another white person? She should not expect the community to like her because she is a quota player. She is being used," he said.

"She received 21 votes in the local government elections; she obviously had not done anything to impress anyone. Surely everything cannot be racist?"
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White against white?easy...i`m "off white"(or perhaps a littel creamish...so shut up, you pale face:D :D
 
Apologies

kingmonty said:
Technically it's my thread but you are a mod :D

What would be absolutely awesome here is a moderation system like that used on Slashdot - where the majority readers gets to award mod points and a reason (such as trolling, insightful, interesting, etc). Then I can just mark my threshold high enough to avoid all the trolling posts.
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@Kingmonty
:o :o

I am really sorry.
I thought it was my thread? An honest error as I have spent quite a considerable amount of time posting within it.
I have made input into several threads related to the Zille, Cape Town Unicity Government and the like, that it has all really become quite a blur of postings.

Our dear member Angelo railed me as the topic was going so well until he entered the fray.
There are days like this that being a Mod has it's disadvantages as my post only shows that I am human and open to errors.

I sincerely hope you will forgive me for pushing my weight around within your thread. :)

Kind Regards,
BTTB
 
BTTB said:
I sincerely hope you will forgive me for pushing my weight around within your thread. :)
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No problem mate :D
It's certainly been a worthwhile read
 
And now?is everything finised/kaput/klaar....eish was a "lekker fight "while it lasted:D :D ♥
 
ajak said:
And now?is everything finised/kaput/klaar....eish was a "lekker fight "while it lasted ♥
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Hi Ajak. :)

You and Angelo should start your own thread together. :D
Lost the plot of this thread. :rolleyes:
Not to worry. :)

Cheers.
BTTB
 
BTTB said:
Hi Ajak. :)

You and Angelo should start your own thread together. :D
Lost the plot of this thread. :rolleyes:
Not to worry. :)

Cheers.
BTTB
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Jy`s lekker mislik,smily face en al
 
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