Cape Council booted off Gateway Project

So now using the word "rascist" is a personal attack?! How else would you like me to put it?

Your rascist agenda? A personal attack? Well, fine.
 
I read some statistics of the make up of the people living in Cape Town.
Whether it is a true reflection of the current status quo, is not known to me.

White - 600 000
Black - 800 000
Coloured - 1 200 000
Total - 2 600 000
 
kilo39 said:
So now using the word "rascist" is a personal attack?! How else would you like me to put it?

Your rascist agenda? A personal attack? Well, fine.
Whoah Kilo! :)

I reported the post, for your information.
As I do not have Mod privileges in this Topic, I asked that the word "Idiot" be removed and it was.
That is all.

Regards,
BTTB
 
Thanks BTTB :D

Idiot? Call it what it is - I certainly have been called the same thing on occasion - it provides impetus to the learning curve!
 
kilo39 said:
Thanks BTTB :D

Idiot? Call it what it is - I certainly have been called the same thing on occasion - it provides impetus to the learning curve!
Hello Kilo,

Thanks for your positive reply. :)
In future please use the Report Bad Post feature if someone calls you similar names.

Regards,
BTTB
 
Zille said last week that the City refused to pick up the tab of more than R200-million for overrun costs and claims by contractors against the City for payment delays.

It is still unclear how the first 705 completed units will be allocated. Building costs of the units have increased significantly since the project started, resulting in a R35-million budget overrun for the first phase.
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Zille has welcomed this, saying: "The auditor general's involvement is a welcome development. We are also committed to continuing our forensic audit into the matter."
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Zille said she "welcomed the admission" by Sisulu that province and national government should "share in covering the outstanding costs of this project". The City is still responsible for the funding and provision of bulk infrastructure for the development.

Local Government and Housing MEC Richard Dyantyi could not be reached for comment late on Monday night. Neither could Sisulu's spokesperson, who did not return several messages.

35 million rand overrun = 705 completed units

Bwaahahaha - a model of efficiency and competency - and now it's back where it started - on the road to none.

/edit/ how do these people sleep at night?
"these people" = guilty of non-delivery, massive overspending - and could I say corruption?
 
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kilo39 said:
35 million rand overrun = 705 completed units

Bwaahahaha - a model of efficiency and competency - and now it's back where it started - on the road to none.

/edit/ how do these people sleep at night?
"these people" = guilty of non-delivery, massive overspending - and could I say corruption?
They probably sleep well?

/Unrelated
There is a fellow who lives around the corner from us who was one of the Developers in the Delft area.
We read about the poor quality of homes that were built in the area and after the first winter storm, many roofs were blown off.
The Sheriff visited this guys house and for a while we heard he was in prison, which was probably correct as we never saw him drive past in his flashy car.

I notice him driving around again. In a flashy car.
This type of person, you will always see driving a flashy car, while poor people must live in homes that are not even 5 years old, but are literally falling apart at the seams.
 
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Sad days for SA - yet more of the same. What happened to the Renaissance?
 
kilo39 said:
35 million rand overrun = 705 completed units

Bwaahahaha - a model of efficiency and competency - and now it's back where it started - on the road to none.

/edit/ how do these people sleep at night?
"these people" = guilty of non-delivery, massive overspending - and could I say corruption?

Zille, who was kicked out of the project after she halted all payments for the project, says contracts were not signed, budgets were overshot by millions of rands, and it there seems to have been some corruption in the process. This is the reason why they are doing a forensic audit, she says.

Cape housing beneficiaries have longer wait


kilo39 said:
Sad days for SA - yet more of the same. What happened to the Renaissance?
The African Rebirth.
As in post "dark ages".
But this applies to the rest of Africa. Not us.
Here we can live in corruption while the other parts of Africa play catch up.
In the case of Zimbabwe it seems they missed the boat and are marching back into the "dark ages".
South Africa is sort of hanging in the balance, not going in any particular direction.

But IMO The Renaissance should have been confined to post 1500 European History. Did Africa have a "dark ages" like Europe? One will never really know, but I think the people in Africa were just idling along, minding their own business.
This terminology is not understood by Africans?:confused:
 
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Angelo said:
Without even reading the article I agree she's not a mayor of the people, she has scrapped a BEE compliance requirement for tenders which is sad given the economic disparities that still exist in that city. No wonder the ANC is wrestling to get control of the city back because with Zille in charge it will never shed its "racist city" tag seemingly.
Never mind that BEE is itself, by definition, racist - since it seeks favourable treatment of one group over another solely on the basis of skin colour.
BEE should be scrapped - Zille acted correctly... inefficient, corrupt, or incompetent contractors ONLY exacerbate the "economic disparities" - simply put, would you not want houses built on time and on cost by competent contractors or enrich a few BEE ones who can't even get the job done? BEE is a disaster so far... I am quite sick of it: in the case of the dept. of home affairs, from my experience, they have a terrible lack of competence, no doubt due to BEE policies... so how does that work? You "empower" one individual by giving them a job they are incapable of doing or not trained to do and you get maybe some economic spillover to that person's immediate social circle (family etc)... but that one person, because of their limitations, keeps people from getting ID cards on time or delays visas for foreign nationals... so imagine the net economic empowerment loss to society because of this one empowerment? Imagine the net economic loss when that one empowered person is a minister! (Ivy??) Putting inefficient, incompetent or corrupt people into public office does not aid economic empowerment at all.

My suggestion is do away with BEE (since it - again - is racist) and black consumers should just encourage change through consumer action: they have the vast majority in numbers, so why don't they support only black empowered companies? This takes black empowerment away from the government (where it shouldn't be) and back to the people (e.g. do they want to shop at certain places, or do shop owners mind losing all black shoppers?) Back that up with strong small business support and you have a recipe for blacks to empower themselves instead of getting favourable goverment treatment that hurts us all.
 
ignacio said:
Never mind that BEE is itself, by definition, racist - since it seeks favourable treatment of one group over another solely on the basis of skin colour.
BEE should be scrapped - Zille acted correctly... inefficient, corrupt, or incompetent contractors ONLY exacerbate the "economic disparities" - simply put, would you not want houses built on time and on cost by competent contractors or enrich a few BEE ones who can't even get the job done? BEE is a disaster so far... I am quite sick of it: in the case of the dept. of home affairs, from my experience, they have a terrible lack of competence, no doubt due to BEE policies... so how does that work? You "empower" one individual by giving them a job they are incapable of doing or not trained to do and you get maybe some economic spillover to that person's immediate social circle (family etc)... but that one person, because of their limitations, keeps people from getting ID cards on time or delays visas for foreign nationals... so imagine the net economic empowerment loss to society because of this one empowerment? Imagine the net economic loss when that one empowered person is a minister! (Ivy??) Putting inefficient, incompetent or corrupt people into public office does not aid economic empowerment at all.

My suggestion is do away with BEE (since it - again - is racist) and black consumers should just encourage change through consumer action: they have the vast majority in numbers, so why don't they support only black empowered companies? This takes black empowerment away from the government (where it shouldn't be) and back to the people (e.g. do they want to shop at certain places, or do shop owners mind losing all black shoppers?) Back that up with strong small business support and you have a recipe for blacks to empower themselves instead of getting favourable goverment treatment that hurts us all.

√ON
 
BTTB said:
Zille, who was kicked out of the project after she halted all payments for the project, says contracts were not signed, budgets were overshot by millions of rands, and it there seems to have been some corruption in the process. This is the reason why they are doing a forensic audit, she says.

Cape housing beneficiaries have longer wait



The African Rebirth.
As in post "dark ages".
But this applies to the rest of Africa. Not us.
Here we can live in corruption while the other parts of Africa play catch up.
In the case of Zimbabwe it seems they missed the boat and are marching back into the "dark ages".
South Africa is sort of hanging in the balance, not going in any particular direction.

But IMO The Renaissance should have been confined to post 1500 European History. Did Africa have a "dark ages" like Europe? One will never really know, but I think the people in Africa were just idling along, minding their own business.
This terminology is not understood by Africans?:confused:
Hell man Africans dont understood by Africans:D :D
 
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BTTB said:
I read some statistics of the make up of the people living in Cape Town.
Whether it is a true reflection of the current status quo, is not known to me.

White - 600 000
Black - 800 000
Coloured - 1 200 000
Total - 2 600 000
Where does Muslims, Indians, Zimbabweans, Nigerians fit in the numbers here?
 
lilDeath said:
Where does Muslims, Indians, Zimbabweans, Nigerians fit in the numbers here?

Not sure.
I suspect the figure for coloured people included Muslims and Indians?

Foreigners. Well that is another story.
I doubt Home Affairs knows how many people are in South Africa, legally or illegally?
The last I heard, we have about 2 million Zimbabweans in South Africa.
Quite a considerable amount of people if you consider that we only have a population of about 46 million.
Not sure where we are heading? Even my staff have expressed concern about all these foreigners.

What if these foreigners cannot find work? Are they going to stay here or return home?
 
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Lets not destroy this thread with discussions as to the merits of AA/BEE.

As to the African Renaissance, I think it is well underway, with us as it's helm. Corruption (And liberalisation of the Telecoms sector) is one of those demons we must shake off whilst going through this (And I believe the AR will help in this regard).
 
What's the point of voting for an effective Mayor like Zille - who promised reform for the council - if the ANC are just going to step in and impose 'direct' rule like taking over the N2 Gateway project 1 day before the elections?
 
Skeptik : It allows her and the council to get on and do their job
 
The electorate are pretty fickle. If they think the ANC was responsible for giving them a roof over their heads they will vote for them. Houses=Votes.

BTW The council still has to service the dwellings - collecting rent/providing water etc.
 
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