CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%
  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%
  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%
  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%
  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%

  • Total voters
    82
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are there many nations who's borders are completely self determined ?
self determination often appears to lead to encroachment upon each other in attempts to expand & conquor (that animal instinct to be "alpha-male").

one needs just take a glimpse at current conflicts:
n & s sudan
palestine / israel
russia / ukraine
china / taiwan
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remove the current "artificial" borders & mayhem will probably ensue
No, see, I disagree that mayhem will ensue when respect for private property is returned to.

The animal instinct you refer to is a mode of survival that was the norm prior to the concept of self-ownership and the rights that logically flow immediately from it, e.g. FoA and legal P4.

The middle-class as a group of groups spanning the globe can - and should - do something new i.e. something they have thus for not been doing.

Take Russia/Ukraine conflict.

The exact people who fund that war are exactly the type of people who should be socially ostracized and economically boycotted out of their anti-social behavior. THAT is was the verage middle-class person can do. Whether remainer or leaver, it should be a given that this comes with being a human being that has to omehow get along with others without resorting to animalistic tooth and claw behavior.

The best starting point, imo, is to recognize that you are more than simply a biological unit. Because this is the poisoned chalice that turns one into a raw instinct survivalist, living in a concrete jungle, who doesn't know how to get long with other people.

At the root of each of those conflicts you will trace the presence of the raw instinct survivalist. Based on the degraded self-image he adopted, he reduces himself to law of the jungle/conqueror or be conquered/initiation of force/might makes right/tooth and claw etc. That's his general mindset, even though he lives in a world built by those who moved to the next level of survival strategy(legal P4 and FoA).
 
@Grant

When you say to me lexity, good advice , but where is it being done?

This is irrelevant to the fact it SHOULD - and CAN - be done.

Who cares where respect for P4 is being practiced?

I mean we can go into just how pervasive respect for P4 is, in the world currently and you will find that is what is holding things together.

The fact not enough people are practicing it consistently enough is true, but that the reason I call for it on consistent level.

You keep coming back as if to suggest that unless I can show you a little existing piece of heaven on earth then the formula must therefor be a failure.

The formula must be practiced, before it can get results. If it's not practiced, don't blame the formula you left sitting in the draw while your civilization collapsed AGAIN.

p.s. See my "tea with hot milk" analogue I gave Brian_G, here: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...d-to-split-south-africa.1280013/post-34104227
 
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The fact not enough people are practicing it consistently enough is true, but that the reason I call for it on consistent level.

You keep coming back as if to suggest that unless I can show you a little existing piece of heaven on earth then the formula must therefor be a failure.

The formula must be practiced, before it can get results. If it's not practiced, don't blame the formula you left sitting in the draw while your civilization collapsed AGAIN.

Liberty is not something you have, so much as it is something you do.


If the horsies will not drink the water they're led to, then they're not interested.

Keep informing them, yes.
Keep bashing them with loong argument on the head, at the expense of drowning out other, more reasonable potential direction, no.


But we've been here before, countless times, and countless times before that, and...
 
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@lexity If the WC magically seceded legally and peacefully you’re gonna be under DA rule, just the WC DA people. I’m guessing you’re not prepared for that?
 
@lexity If the WC magically seceded legally and peacefully you’re gonna be under DA rule, just the WC DA people. I’m guessing you’re not prepared for that?

Certainly new parties will spring up in the new land. The DA has made it clear it would not want to be part of a secession.
 
I'm undecided how to answer this poll question;
"In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?"

I would "consider it", but it would be impractical to move, so keep changing my mind..
Thoughts?
 
@lexity If the WC magically seceded legally and peacefully you’re gonna be under DA rule, just the WC DA people. I’m guessing you’re not prepared for that?
Prepared is a strong word.

I have given it some thought, tho.

In the first place, our non-DA numbers would go up dramatically(*).

That's a straightforward enough scenario to imagine.

p.s. * as a percentage of the overall population.
 
I also think the ptb would have to invent a replacement bogey-man to hold the middle-class back, in the new Cape Republic.

Perhaps they will agitate the coloured population to become the new mob?

That would certainly be one of their go-to options.

The so-called: 'it's our turn now'.
 
Hmmm... I kinda sort of followed Canada 🇨🇦 politics just before and around the covid times, as we all did to see what other governments were doing etc etc, there were talks about a new firearm Bill being introduced etc etc, and obviously Trudeau was the PM over that period...

I'm going to have to agree with them on the following "the government, the WHO and the WEF " there might be a connection about China and Europe, but I honestly didn't follow it that closely.

Anyways... 🤷‍♂️

It's not so much the entities mentioned (although there are conspiracy theorist cues there) as the statement that Albertans are "persecuted". To say that Canadians are genuinely persecuted shows a lack of connection to reality and sounds like many other secession fans and their weird way of experiencing life.

I haven't read much about the Alberta effort though, will try and do so.
 
@Grant

When you say to me lexity, good advice , but where is it being done?

This is irrelevant to the fact it SHOULD - and CAN - be done.

Who cares where respect for P4 is being practiced?

I mean we can go into just how pervasive respect for P4 is, in the world currently and you will find that is what is holding things together.

The fact not enough people are practicing it consistently enough is true, but that the reason I call for it on consistent level.

You keep coming back as if to suggest that unless I can show you a little existing piece of heaven on earth then the formula must therefor be a failure.

The formula must be practiced, before it can get results. If it's not practiced, don't blame the formula you left sitting in the draw while your civilization collapsed AGAIN.

p.s. See my "tea with hot milk" analogue I gave Brian_G, here: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...d-to-split-south-africa.1280013/post-34104227
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you had my train of thought running along rather nicely with post #325
then out of the blue, you derailed it with post #327 above

but:
You keep coming back as if to suggest that unless I can show you a little existing piece of heaven on earth then the formula must therefor be a failure.
you have a strange way of approaching things.
my asking for an example is not a case of "unless I can show you a little existing piece of heaven on earth then the formula must therefor be a failure".
when i'm "looking for an example", it is for the purpose of understanding a living / working / functioning "example" of what you may be proposing or suggesting - or perhaps for comparative purposes : your "example" vs a current model.
 
I'm undecided how to answer this poll question;
"In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?"

I would "consider it", but it would be impractical to move, so keep changing my mind..
Thoughts?
you answered the question
 
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